Le 29-oct.-06, à 17:43, David Nyman a écrit :
> Peter, when you said that the physical might be 'relations all the way > down', and I asked you what would you find if you went 'all the way > down', you replied 'primary matter'. IOW, you posit primary matter as a > 'bare substrate' to which are attached whatever properties theory or > experiment may suggest. Consequently, isn't it the case that you are > defining this 'bare substrate' (which by posit has no properties of its > own) as whatever-it-is that is RITSIAR (i.e. you might say that it's > what exists)? Bruno, aren't you making essentially the same claim for > AUDA, in attempting to derive all properties from it? P. Jones posit a primary matter having no properties, and he does not explain how things with properties can emerge from that. I posit numbers (not AUDA which is just an acronym for the Arithmetical translation of the Universal Dovetailer Argument). And numbers have well know properties of their own (they can be even, odd, prime, godel-number, etc.). And from those number properties I explain the possible n-person discourses. And from UDA one of them is the physical discourse, so it is "easy" to test comp through empiry. > In your schema, > if AUDA isn't RITSIAR (even if you'd rather define 1-ritsiar or > 3-ritsiar separately), then is anything? I don't understand really what you mean by "AUDA is not RITSIAR". AUDA is just the lobian interview, or if you prefer the complete mathematical formalization of the UDA reasoning. In some sense you can interpret it as the eventual elimination of the "yes doctor" hypothesis in the UDA argument (but here I do simplify a little bit). > Are these two views > commensurable at all? Or are you saying that we can only maintain a > Wittgensteinian silence on such questions? Wittgenstein said to much, or not enough. He felt in the trap he was describing. The difference between G and G* can be used to make this transparently clear, and can even be used to argue that eventually Wittgenstein realize the point in his last writings (on certainty). Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
