Bruno: has anybody ever seen "numbers"? (except for Aunt Milly who dreamed up the 5 numbers she saw in her dream - for the lottery).
"Where is the universe" - good question, but: Has anybody ever seen "Other" universes? Have we learned or developed (advanced) NOTHING since Pl & Ar? It is amazing what learned savant scientists posted over the past days. Where are they indeed? John On 2/1/07, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Le 29-janv.-07, à 21:33, 1Z a écrit : > > > > > > > > > On 24 Jan, 11:42, Bruno Marchal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Le 23-janv.-07, à 15:59, 1Z a écrit : > >> > >> > >> > >>> Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> > >>>> Also, nobody has proved the existence of a primitive physical > >>>> universe. > >> > >>> Or of a PlatoniaCall it Platonia, God, Universe, or Glass-of-Beer, > >>> we don' t care. But > >> we have to bet on a "reality", if we want some progress. > >> > >> Now, here is what I do. For each lobian machine > > > > Where are these machines? Platonia? > > > > Where is the universe? > > > > > > > I prefer to assume what I can see. > > > > > Fair enough. I think we can sum up the main difference between > Platonists and Aristotelians like that: > > Aristotelians believe in what they see, measure, etc. But platonists > believe that what they see is the shadow of the shadow of the shadow > ... of what could *perhaps* ultimately exists. > > The deeper among the simplest argument for platonism, is the dream > argument. Indeed, dreaming can help us to take some distance with the > idea that seeing justifies beliefs. Put in another way, I believe in > what I understand, and I am agnostic (and thus open minded) about > everything else. > > Now to be sure, I am not convinced that someone has ever "seen" > *primary matter*. > > Bruno > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
