Pls see after Jason's remark
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Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: Searles' Fundamental Error
On Feb 18, 5:46 pm, "Stathis Papaioannou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2/18/07, Mark Peaty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My main problem with Comp is that it needs several unprovable assumptions to
> > be accepted.
I believe that to say that some special substrate is needed for
consciousness, be it chemical reactions or anything else, is
subscribing to an epiphenominal view. For example, there should be no
difference in behavior between a brain that operates chemically and
one which has its chemical reactions simulated on a computer; however
if it is the chemicals themselves that are responsible for
consciousness, this consciousness can have no effect on the brain
because the net result will be identical whether the brain is
simulated or not. To me, epiphenominalism is a logical contradiction,
because if consciousness has no effect on the mind, we wouldn't wonder
about the mind-body problem because the mystery of consciousness would
have no way of communicating itself to the brain. Therefore, I don't
see how anything external to the functioning of the brain could be
responsible for consciousness.
I think you are in a limitation and draw conclusions from this limited model
to beyond it.
Whatever we can 'simulate' is from within the up-to-date knowledge base: our
cognitive inventory. That is OK - and the way how humanity developed over the
eras of the epistemic enrichment since dawn. Topics are added and views change
as we learn more.
We are not (yet?) at the end with omniscience.
So our today's simulation is valid only to the extent of today's level of
knowables. Nobody can include the yet unknown into a simulation. (see the
remark of Stathis: "> You can't prove that a machine will be conscious in the
same way you are.")
If you insist of considering "the brain", it is OK with me (I go further in
my views into a total interconnection) but from even the brain you can include
into your simulation only what was learnt about it to date.
The computer cannot go beyond it either.
The brain does.
So our model-simulation is just that: a limited model.
Are we ready for surprizes?
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