Gevin Giorbran wrote: > On Jan 3, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > >> Hi, >> Is hurting or make the puppet suffer morally correct with your position ? >> If it is not, then this is strange since they are only puppets and you >> *are*...(means you can't hurt them because they aren't) This is simply >> sollipsism and (un)fortunately completely circular. >> >> Also as you acknowledge other "pilots" existence in "other" universe, how is >> this different than acknowledging simply the existence of other people ? >> > > Günther Greindl wrote: > >> This is the question of why _I_ experience the world as I do and not the >> other worlds. >> > > > This is not the identity crisis question of why am I not that person > over there, nor is it circular, or solipsism (although if true it > could lead to a philosophy of solipsism). > > This is basic quantum theory applied to the macro-world. Ever since > Schrödinger disapprovingly amplified the uncertainty of atomic decay > and showed that quantum uncertainty extends to the macro-world, this > issue has been apparent. I am certain this "observer over observed" > issue has been discussed before. Someone has mentioned that John > Wheeler described this, describing a "free floating" observer that > dictates reality all the way back to the big bang. He just didn't > discuss the issue of pilots and puppets. > > In the instant I observe the contents of the box the uncertainty > collapses,
Actually it collapses before, see quant-ph/0402146 v1. It is shown that in a Young's slit experiment with C70 buckyballs, the interference fringes disappear when the buckyballs are sufficiently heated to radiate some IR photons. No observer is needed, only the interaction with the environment. > however, the colleague who walks in the room one second > later in pilot form is not subject to my observation, for them the > outcome of the event is still uncertain until they open the lab door > and look in, at which point they branch into two futures defined by > different pasts, me in tears (I love cats) or the cat alive and me > happy. Their observation of me (tears or jeers) will correspond to > their observation of the cat. HOWEVER, the colleague I observe (their > observation) is predetermined (made measurably deterministic) by my > earlier observation. Their observation will correspond to my > observation, in a sense making them a puppet of the universe I > observe. > "Puppet" implies you are pulling the strings. So can you bend the universe to your will? Brent Meeker --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
