On 30 Oct 2008, at 23:58, Brent Meeker wrote:
> > Kory Heath wrote: >> >> On Oct 30, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> But ok, perhaps I have make some progress lately, and I will answer >>> that the probability remains invariant for that too. The probability >>> remains equal to 1/2 in the imperfect duplication (assuming 1/2 is >>> the perfect one). >>> But of course you have to accept that if a simple teleportation is >>> done imperfectly (without duplication), but without killing you, the >>> probability of surviving is one (despite you get blind, deaf, >>> amnesic and paralytic, for example). >> >> This is the position I was arguing against in my earlier post. Let's >> stick with simple teleportation, without duplication. If the data is >> scrambled so much that the thing that ends up on the other side is >> just a puddle of goo, then my probability of surviving the >> teleportation is 0%. It's functionally equivalent to just killing me >> at the first teleporter and not sending any data over. (Do you >> agree?) >> If the probability of me surviving when an imperfect copy is made is >> still 100%, then there's some point of "imperfection" at which my >> chances of surviving suddenly shift from 100% to 0%. This change will >> be marked by (say) the difference of a single molecule (or bit of >> data, or whatever). I don't see how that can be correct. >> >> -- Kory > > But there are many ways for what comes out of the teleporter to > *not* be you. > Most of them are "puddles of goo", but some of them are copies of > Bruno or > imperfect copies of me or people who never existed before. > > Suppose it's a copy of you as you were last year - is it 100% you. > It's not > 100% the you that went into the machine - but if you're the same > person you were > last year it's 100% you. Of course the point is that you're not the > same "you" > from moment to moment in the sense of strict identity of information > down to the > molecular level, or even the neuron level. Yes. And if a teleporter transforms me into a copy of me as I was last year, I will say that although I have 100% survive, I suffer from an amnesia bearing on one year of experience, and indeed I will have to relearn what "I" have done and update myself accordingly. I can complain about the doctor or about the teleportation company of course, like someone who did survive a train accident, with injuries, perhaps amnesia, can complain about the railroad society (if he remembers the name). --Bruno Marchal http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---