On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 12:28:45PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> 
> 
> Le 24-nov.-08, à 02:39, Russell Standish a écrit :
> 
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 03:59:02PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I would side with Kory that a looked up recording of conscious
> >>> activity is not conscious.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I agree with you. The point here is just that MEC+MAT implies it.
> >>
> >
> > This I don't follow. I would have thought it implies the opposite.
> 
> 
> MGA 1 shows that MEC+MAT implies lucky Alice is conscious (during the 
> exam). OK?
> MGA 2 shows that MEC+MAT implies Alice is dreaming (and thus conscious) 
> when the film is projected. OK?

Right - I think we had a breakdown in communication. I thought you
were asserting the opposite

> I take the "looked recording" as identical (with respect to the 
> reasoning) with a projection of the movie.
> 
> Of course I don't believe that a projection of a filmed computation is 
> conscious 'qua computatio". It is so absurd that sometimes I end the 
> Movie Graph Argument here. I mean I consider this equivalent to false, 
> and thus as enough for showing COMP+MAT implies false.
> MGA 3 is intended for those who believes that the movie can be 
> conscious qua computatio.
> 
> Bruno
> 

The movie, in this case, is a very precise recording of the states of
all of Alice's neurons and their interactions. Why wouldn't it be
conscious? Someone once said to you "don't confuse the territory with
the map" - and you very sagely asked "what if the map is so detailed
it is indistinguishable from the territory".

A popular representation of the universe is a block universe, where
all events exist in a 4D static representation that is forever
timeless. A block universe contains conscious entities, who perceive
time etc., at least according to your usual die hard materialist,
don't you think? How does a block universe differ from your movie
though?

Note it is important not to rely on our intuition here. None of us has
experience of movies with the level of resolution been discussed
here. High definition movies are distinctly lame by comparison.

I guess I'll need MGA3!


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