Le 30-mars-09, à 22:05, Kelly a écrit :

>> Well, thanks for your report. Did you smoke the extract? It usually
>> last for 4 minutes. It is amazing it did last so long with you, I know
>> only one case of an experience lasting 20 minutes.
> I used this liquid "extract" stuff.

Very good!

> You hold it in your mouth for
> several minutes to get it into your blood stream.  Seems to work very
> well.  The first time I tried the "Strong" dose, and it produced about
> 30 minutes of strong hallucinations, 20 minutes of weaker
> hallucinations, and another 30 minutes of "day dream" type experiences
> as I was coming out of it.
> I tried another dose on saturday, and the effect was much different.
> I was watching a psychodelic computer screensaver, which resulted in a
> less "dream-like" and more strange experience.  This time I also took
> a "Very Strong" dose, which lasted a bit longer on all stages, but I'm
> not sure what impact it had otherwise.
> I was back in Arkansas in the 1970's again.  But there was a much
> stronger feeling that something important was about to happen, and
> that I was part of the plan.

This is a common, yet intriguing, feeling.

> ALSO, I wasn't a kid this time.  There
> was a much stronger (but intermittent) feeling of being "someone
> else".
> I think this may have been related to the amnesia.  I wasn't
> explicitly TRYING to remember something and failing so it wasn't a
> jarring experience, but still there was a lack of implicit "historical
> context" for myself.  This, combined with the unfamiliar sense of
> being on a "mission" (associated with the feeling that something
> important was going to happen) I think made for a feeling of being
> someone else.  It certainly didn't feel like the normal "what it is
> like to be me", in that my mindset seemed different.

Thanks for reporting. When you smoke extracts, this can be much more 
intense, but much harder to dissect after the experience.

> Also, in an earlier post you mention the "feminine presence".  I had
> this the second time too.  BUT, the feeling I had was the "she" was
> impatient.  Presumably about the important thing that was going to
> happen.

Ah! I recognize her. She has quite a mood. You are lucky she was only 
impatient :)

> The screensaver was mesmerizing though.  I stared at it for the entire
> time.  Over an hour.  It was quite a show.  It didn't stop me from
> seeing other things, related to Arkansas, but it did take up the bulk
> of my "visual experience".  And, interestingly, it didn't get pulled
> into any of the "story lines" of the dream.  The story-line of the
> dream was entirely seperate.

This happens, especially when you don't use to intense stuff. You are 
in two places at once, capable of living two experience simultaneously.
It is useful to note the experience in a diary, which i suggest to do. 
With Salvia the experienes evolve.

> As for the metaphysical implications of "identifying the self with
> personal memories", I'll have to think about that a bit more.

Thanks for trying.

> All good stuff!

I am happy you appreciate. Well, I guess it is an easier road than 
learning mathematical logic. The advantage of logic is that you can 
share 99% of the experience with ... those patient enough to learn the 
technics, and to listen to the argument. The advantage of Salvia is 
that you live, somehow, the thought experiences. No need to "imagine" 
the situation and to deuce proposition... But some afterthought are 
needed in all case, of course, Take it easy, you are in good hands :)



> On Mar 30, 6:30 am, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>> Hi Kelly, and others,
>> Well, thanks for your report. Did you smoke the extract? It usually
>> last for 4 minutes. It is amazing it did last so long with you, I know
>> only one case of an experience lasting 20 minutes. I am happy you 
>> found
>> your experience interesting. You can consult and discuss your
>> experience, and those of others 
>> here:http://www.entheogen.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=135
>> Now the real question is, does that experience helped in providing, 
>> for
>> example, an answer to my last remark to Quentin?
>> I quote the question again. It is important concerning
>> comp-immortality, and eventually how to derive physics from computer
>> science.
>> I do think such a question is difficult, and show the weakness in
>> identifying the self with personal memories, and this justifies the
>> necessity of the AUDA move, I think.
>> Of course, if you enjoy dream-state-like, you can enjoy Salvia without
>> troubling yourself with hard metaphysical questions. Yet I would be
>> interesting if Quentin or Stathis, or anyone, could acknowledge a
>> conceptual difficulty here.
>> <<Hmmm...
>> I ask you, and others, this question. What is the probability "now",
>> that you will find yourself in Washington and Moscow the 24 december
>> 2009, when you are annihilated in Brussels, now, (17 March 2009) and
>> reconstituted in both Moscow and Washington the 18 March 2009, say)?
>> The problem is that the reconstitution machine did dysfunction in
>> Washington, so that, from the 18 March 2009 up to the 20 Augustus 2009
>> you (the you in Washington) suffered a  "total amnesia".  And then,
>> "you" recovered slowly and progressively from that through adequate
>> medication up to a total recall, the 23 December (and none of yous did
>> move from W or M).
>> Note that with high concentrated extract of Salvia Divinorum, people
>> can "suffer" (or "enjoy") a total amnesia, where you forget not just
>> your name and memories of life, but you forget even what is a person,
>> what is space, what is time.  Yet you remain conscious. Life appears 
>> as
>> a dream, that you recall vaguely, and then forget, and then you forget
>> you did that dream. Yet "you" come back. (See the reports, I don't
>> encourage its consumption, but anyone interested by consciousness can
>> be interested by such reports).>>
>> Le 28-mars-09, à 20:50, Kelly a écrit :
>>> I tried Salvia for the first time yesterday.  Very similar to
>>> dreaming, but more intense, with a lot more sounds.
>>> At first I thought, "Nothing's happening".  Then I thought, "I seem 
>>> to
>>> be about to slide sidewise...I need to stop".
>>> Then, I was sitting somewhere...in a tilled field I think, and I
>>> couldn't remember who I was.  Then I thought, someone's going to be 
>>> in
>>> trouble...I need to tell my sister.
>>> Then, for the next 30 minutes it was 1978, and I was in Arkansas, and
>>> I was a kid again.
>>> Every now and then I'd think, "What's going on???  Did I take
>>> something?"
>>> But I could never remember for sure.  A couple of times I would think
>>> of the Salvia extract, but I couldn't remember if it was just
>>> something I'd heard of, or if I'd actually used it.  And I'd decide,
>>> "Nah, couldn't be salvia...reality doesn't work that way.  That would
>>> be like magic."
>>> After about 30 minutes of dreaming it was 1978, and I was 7, and in
>>> Arkansas,  I came to enough to look at the clock, and I remember
>>> thinking, "It didn't work..."
>>> THEN, I was underwater looking up towards the surface, and there was 
>>> a
>>> giant squid passing over me.
>>> About 20 minutes later, I got up and starting writing up what I'd
>>> seen, but I was still drifting in and out, like I was having day-
>>> dreams.  And they were still about Arkansas 1978, but it was like I
>>> was there, and there was a plan, and I was part of it.  Something was
>>> about to happen, and I was like part of a group that knew about it.
>>> Over the next hour the day-dreams stopped, and within 2 hours of
>>> starting it was over.
>>> Very interesting.
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