Welcome RMahoney,

Nice thought experiments. But they need amnesia (like in going from you to Cruise). I tend to think like you that it may be the case that we are the same person (like those who result from a self- duplication, both refer as being the same person as the original, yet acknowledge their respective differentiation.


It is certainly interesting, and it enlarges the spectrum of the "immortality" notions. May be scary too, when not familiarized with self-multiplication and self-transformation.

Those notions are studied in theoretical computer science, so that they can be applied to make such reasoning precise.

And the universal machine is well placed, by Church thesis, to play the role of the main heroin. I think.

I am sure we will have opportunities to come back on those "more advanced" thought experiences,


Bruno





On 08 Jan 2010, at 01:59, RMahoney wrote:

pretty cool thread (read most but skimmed thru some of it though).
I've spent the past 35 or so years (i'm now 56) pondering the subject
of "why I am I" and doing thought experiment after thought experiment
with cloning, copies, changing "I" one particle at a time until I am
"you" or someone else, and ultimately came to the conclusion as
someone posted midway thru this thread of the concept of the universal
person or universal soul... consciousness is basically universal,
there is no priority of one bit of consciousness over the other.
Within just my own life, the organism I was 35 years ago is not the
organism I am today, I am only connected to that former organism by
sequential events in time and space, threaded together. With an
advanced technology I could become "Tom Cruise" by sequential changes
particle by particle, memory by memory, thought by thought, until I
became the currently existing Tom Cruise. Would my "I" which changed
over the course of 35 years from my former "I" be any different than
Tom Cruise's "I" that was changed over time (bit by bit) from my
former "I"? Thought experiments like these made me realize we're all
essentially the same universal concept, we're all just unique pieces
of the whole of the everything. It's just really cool to find "like"
thinking by a string search on the web, having done all this thinking
in isolation and coming to the same conclusion as other minds have.
What brought me to this site was a string search for "everything
possible exists", something I now believe and was just curious if
there was any text on the web with the same line of thinking. It was
my answer to the other question I've always had as to why does the
universe exist at all? I came to my own conclusion that if anything
exists (which apparently it does), then every possible event must
exist, every possible outcome from one state to the other must exist,
and if it existed once, nothing stops it from existing again, and
actually, every possible event not only exists but has always existed
and will always exist. Kind of expands the universe quite a bit,
virtually infinite. There's not only me, but every possible outcome of
my life. There's every possible outcome of my mom & dad's
reproduction, some of which produce me but nearly infinitely
conditions that do not produce my starting organism. My dad wouldn't
have existed, if it weren't for the lightning strike that killed his
mom's first husband. So I'm here because I am just one of nearly
infinite possibilities of consciousness. Disconcerting, at times,
where I used to think, "glad it's them and not me" (like tortured
terrorist victims), well, we're all the same basically, and while the
whole of everything contains terrible things, including the very worst
of possibilities, it also contains the very best as well. Having
figured this much out to my satisfaction actually gives me a very
contented, peaceful and secure feeling.
- Roy
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