Hi John,
Bruno:
thanks for the "I think"<G> in your text below - also: I cannot
argue against your negative assessement about atheism - who IMO
require a 'God" to deny. You know my shortcomings to equate physics
with other domains of hearsay belief systems, like theology (as
religion mainly). What I mean is a 'system' based on primitive
misunderstandings of phenomena at a lower level epistemicly enriched
explanatory attempt, at a very early age (way before the Greeks)
that was "kept" as a basis and equipped by the newer epistemic
additions over the eons of development up to our times now (and
continued probably for the future). You add to that your "belief
system" of the numerals as constituting 'our world' - if used in
large enough sequences - what I do not address at this moment.
My point is technical. Mechanism and materialism are incompatible.
At any rate: it is a 'human' base for constituting a worldview.
It is a Löbian one. It concerns the aliens also, except those who are
ultrafinitists.
I dont' identify myself more with humans than with Löbians.
We are not capable of more.
That could be John Mikes limitation.
I don't like to much Teilhard de Chardin but he said that we are not
humans having spiritual experience, but we are sipiritual being having
a human experience. That does resonate with Löbian machine's experience.
Our capabilities are restricted to absorb only parts of the totality
and that. too, in ways how our PERSONAL thinking machine (brain?)
adjusted them into its genetic buildup AND our personal experience-
background, making it into a PERSONAL mini-solipsism, (expression
from Hale) - also callable a perceived reality.
That's the first person views. But we can bet on other people and
entities, and we can use logic to study the consequence of our
hypotheses.
Partial, that is.
Yes.
Since you slanted the 'mind-body' problem towards religious
connotations(?), I turned to the Cartesian "body-soul" dualistic
pair which was a result of Descartes's fear of the Inquisition.
I think so too.
Not finding reasonable that a short-"lived" body should impose
'eternal' judgements upon an 'eternal' soul,
Bodies make no judgement. Only our (eternal) soul do. That is not a
religious belief, it is a theorem in mechanist theory (which may be
correct or not, we will never *know*).
in such respect (at least in its effectiveness?) the 'body' extends
the time-limit we assign to the contraption enclosed (spacially)
into our 'skin' - what I find untrue as well.
This may be done by questioning the precision of our 'time' (and
arrow of it) concept as physics takes it into account more or less.
Physics come later. Plotinus is right: physics is the study of what
God cannot control.
The physical reality is the clothe of God when he look to itself.
(images).
As someone who does not include the necessity of a "creator" or
"god" into a worldview and claims agnostic ignorance about the much
dicussed "origins" as well as the conclusions of physics-based
conventional sciences and considers 'eternity' a timeless concept
(maybe just an instant?)
OK.
furthermore the 'numerals' and math - as David Bohm said: a human
invention, -
Ok for the numerals and humpan math. But not necessarily for the
numbers. This does not makes sense in the mechanist theory (which
might be wrong of course).
I have no proposal how to formulate answers to those 'burning'
questions of 'everything'.
Just a thought that may be wrong, but could lead to further
enlightening ideas if some smarter-than-me minds add their remarks
to it.
Best,
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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