On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:38 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 5/18/2011 7:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > That is how meditation and dissociative drug can help you to remind the > consciousness of the "blanche machine", the consciousness of the virgin > Löbian machine. Memories only differentiate consciousness. > > Are you claiming that every thought includes a memory? A memory of what? > The immediately preceding thought? > > You lost me. I was pretending the contrary. I was with you on this. It is > *because* a thought (a conscious thought) does not necessarily include a > memory or a reference to previous thoughts that you can remain conscious > when taking a drug which disconnect you from all memories. > > Ok. I mistook your point. I agree that memory is not necessary for > consciousness - though I think it is necessary for self-consciousness.
I tend to disagree. What is memory? Just representation in some material substrate? When you “recall” a memory into the present is it still a memory or part of the present? What about false memories? Isn’t the experience of reflecting on a memory just another kind of experience, no different really than day-dreaming about something that never happened? Rex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.