On 18 May 2011, at 18:54, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/18/2011 9:21 AM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Hi Brent,
Interesting! If we follow this idea, that memory is not
necessary for consciousness, then consciousness does not require a
persistent structure to supervene upon. No?
Onward!
Stephen
I don't see how that follows.
Me too. Consciousness requires logically the entire arithmetical
reality, for example (with mechanism). Without 2+2=4, there is no
consciousness, nor computation, nor matter.
"Require" in what sense: logical, nomological,...? We know that a
blow to the head can interrupt consciousness
We don't know that. With comp nothing interrupt consciousness.
and erase memories.
That can indeed happens locally and relatively. And that can give the
feeling of having been unconscious.
Bruno
From: meekerdb
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 11:38 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: On the Sequencing of Observer Moments
On 5/18/2011 7:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
That is how meditation and dissociative drug can help you to
remind the consciousness of the "blanche machine", the
consciousness of the virgin Löbian machine. Memories only
differentiate consciousness.
Are you claiming that every thought includes a memory? A memory
of what? The immediately preceding thought?
You lost me. I was pretending the contrary. I was with you on
this. It is *because* a thought (a conscious thought) does not
necessarily include a memory or a reference to previous thoughts
that you can remain conscious when taking a drug which disconnect
you from all memories.
Ok. I mistook your point. I agree that memory is not necessary
for consciousness - though I think it is necessary for self-
consciousness.
Brent
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