In defense of Bruno: it makes perfect sense to state that physics is not "the first principles of all being."
It makes perfect sense to not assume that some materialistic reductionism will not provide one with the first principles.... in other words, physics is not the fundamental science that grounds all the rest. It makes sense to speculate again about metaphysics... which are first principles proper (classically speaking).... a not pseudo-metaphysics.... which is trying to derive a first principle "somewhere" "in" "phenomena" itself. On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Constantine Pseudonymous <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Ultimately physics is just set of well defined rules (algorithms) and > > matter and energy is just information. > > How do you exactly distinguish "matter" and "energy"... what do you on > one hand consider to be "matter" and on the other consider to be > "energy..... and how are both just information? Can you define > information for me... do you mean it in a literal sense, have you > observed this information as distinct object of perception? > > > It is not unreasonable to imagine that information sits at the core > of > > > > > physics, just as it sits at the core of a computer. > > Do you = information? > > And do your organs which "process" that information... are they merely > information too? Does information interact with and process itself and > then reveal itself to information (the I)? Is everything just > information in motion being comprehended by information? > > > > > It from bit. Otherwise put, every 'it'—every particle, every field > of > > > force, even the space-time continuum itself—derives its function, its > > > meaning, its very existence entirely—even if in some contexts > > > indirectly—from the apparatus-elicited answers to yes-or-no questions, > > > binary choices, bits. 'It from bit' symbolizes the idea that every item > of > > > the physical world has at bottom—a very deep bottom, in most > instances—an > > > immaterial source and explanation; that which we call reality arises in > the > > > last analysis from the posing of yes–no questions and the registering > of > > > equipment-evoked responses; in short, that all things physical are > > > information-theoretic in origin and that this is a participatory > universe. > > > (John Archibald Wheeler 1990: 5) > > Only yes and no? but we experience in life that there are sometimes > neither/nor's and not just either/or's.... we also experience > combinations... we experience "yes and no". Why is it binary, why not > a triad, and why so rigidly one or the other? > > You say that every "item" of the physical world has at bottom a > immaterial source and explanation.... but this is completely > elusive.... are you saying every particular item literally can be > traced back to an immaterial source? All this sounds like pure > speculation right now... not that there is anything wrong with > speculation. > > If all things that are apparently physical (including our body) are > really just "information" (is information another word for thought or > idea, and if so, how many different way's can we understand the notion > of notion, the idea of ideas... for example, are they made up of > particles or something, or they perhaps composite in a subtler form of > matter or something).... well how can we make this idea more > meaningful to us... because it strikes me as incredibly unilluminating > or lacking in descriptive power and high-definition. > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
