>On 21 Jul 2011, at 00:14, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 7/20/2011 2:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>> What does consciousness require? > >> Interaction with the world. > >But what is a world? Also, assuming computationalism, you need only to >believe that you interact with a "world/reality", whatever that is, >like in dream. If not you *do* introduce some magic in both >consciousness and world. > >> Information processing. Memory. A point of view; i.e. model of the >> world including self. Purpose/values. > >OK. Although "conscious purpose" is already a high form of >consciousness, it might be self-consciousness.
Consciousness is nothing more than the elaborated experience of feeling. The world it interacts with does not have to make any objective sense, requires no information processing or memory, purpose or value. Pain is consciousness. It need not contain any information beyond a projection of the possibility of it's cessation. It is a self- explanatory, innate, first person experience that doesn't need any complex logic behind it, nor will any amount of logic necessarily alleviate it directly. You can't always reason with pain. Pain cannot be simulated quantitatively in any way. There is no equation, game, or purely inorganic quantitative system that has ever felt pain or will ever feel what we know as pain. Without first hand experience of the difference between pain and pleasure, there can be no animal level of consciousness. Craig On Jul 21, 5:55 am, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > On 21 Jul 2011, at 00:14, meekerdb wrote: > > > On 7/20/2011 2:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > >> What does consciousness require? > > > Interaction with the world. > > But what is a world? Also, assuming computationalism, you need only to > believe that you interact with a "world/reality", whatever that is, > like in dream. If not you *do* introduce some magic in both > consciousness and world. > > > Information processing. Memory. A point of view; i.e. model of the > > world including self. Purpose/values. > > OK. Although "conscious purpose" is already a high form of > consciousness, it might be self-consciousness. > > Bruno > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
