On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:

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> You fail to explain how the truth of "17 is prime" depends on
> consciousness. You confuse the truth of "17 is prime" with the individual
> belief or knowledge that "17 is prime".  Mathematicians believes that "17 is
> prime" is far more objective than any other proposition like "the moon
> exists", or "the big bang exists".
> You should be the one explaining to me why "17 would no more be prime" in
> case humans or life disappear from the physical universe.
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>
Indeed, nature discovered the primality of 13 and 17 (in the reproductive
cycles of the 13-year and 17-year cicadas).  I doubt nature or the cicadas
were ever conscious of this mathematical property, at least in the sense
that humans can be conscious of it.

Jason

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