On 01 Mar 2012, at 18:06, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/1/2012 3:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Not at all. This is a Abrahamic axiom. There are other theories.
Why do you choose the Abrahamic theories? The neoplatonists were
infinitely more cautious on all this.
It's not only an Abrahamic definition. There were thousands of gods
before Abraham and they were all beings.
But John (Clark)'s point were rather typical of the Abrahamic God. Of
course, and that's gives milk to my point, there were many notions of
God(s) already before the appearance of the Abrahamic religion. To be
sure I am not sure of how much they have influenced each other, and
how they have influenced Pythagorus (who seemed to have been a great
traveller) and Plato.
God is as old as humans, and perhaps animals have a notion too.
With comp, all correct machine, making very elementary inductive
inferences, becomes mystical (and thus theological), because they
discover "inner transcendental intuition" (like all the proper non
provable propositional modal truth: Z1* minus Z1, X1* minus X1, G*
minus G, etc.). Theology and science both comes from the (unconscious
at first) understanding of the difference between proof or belief and
truth.
Did you not like my suggestion of "aletheology", from "aletheia"?
Ah, well, but er... no thank you.
Only liars refers so directly to truth (the pravda affect).
Then, people will confuse it with Alethiology, the study of the nature
of truth, or the many theory of truth, which only becomes "machine's
theology", in the comp framework. So aletheology and alethiology would
concern only the first hypostase.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alethiology
Machine's theology is really a big thing, it is a theory of
1) the three greek gods, if we accept the arithmetical lexicon (which
makes intuitive sense once we bet we are machine)
2) the two matters, sensible and intelligible.
It concerns the relation between truth and its "creatures" (the
numbers and their relations). It is a (meta) theory putting all other
sciences into perspective. It is the term used by the Greeks for
"theory of everything", from gravitation to love, from quarks to gods,
from consciousness to matter, from hell to heaven.
Then, I prefer to use the simple word that everybody can understand. A
theology, when applied, ask for an act of faith. If I use another
term, I am lying. Comp *is* a belief in a form of reincarnation (first
local and material, then immaterial).
The use of the term "theology" prevents also the frequent (self-
proclaiming) atheists' critic on that kind of work (the mind-body
problem): "that's theology". Because, it is not a critics, it is a
fact. It concerns all the themes studied in "theology", the existence
of the soul, the immortality of the soul, the nature of the physical,
the math of the afterlife, the cosmogonies, ... everything.
But thanks again, for the try :)
Bruno
Brent
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