On Jun 18, 6:44 pm, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 6/18/2012 10:34 AM, 1Z wrote:
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> > On Jun 18, 6:03 pm, meekerdb<meeke...@verizon.net>  wrote:
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> >>>>> About nc-free-will, I have not any idea (yet?) about what it could 
> >>>>> mean. I tend to agree
> >>>>>>   >    with John on this.
> >>>>>   It seems pretty clear.  It's an ability to make decisions in a spirit 
> >>>>> realm and have them
> >>>>>   implemented in the physical realm.
> >>> No: it;'s the ability to have made a difference but still rational
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> >>> same circumstances.
> >> What does 'same circumstances' mean?  Does it mean the same physical state 
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> >> lowest level, or does it just mean the same at the level of description of 
> >> a police report?
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> > Good question. If you get very fine grained, then FW does start to
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> > causal".  I think for FW to be feasible we need to mean external
> > circumstances but not internal
> > states. I call that the doughnut theory.
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> OK, that comports with my understanding that 'free will' is social/legal 
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> just meaning roughly "not coerced", where there are degrees of coercion.

I'm not sure about "comporting with". The requirement to be able to
have done
otherwise is supposed to be explicitly incompatibilist.

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