On Jun 18, 6:22 pm, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 6/18/2012 9:50 AM, 1Z wrote:
> > On Jun 17, 7:28 pm, meekerdb<meeke...@verizon.net>  wrote:
> >> No, not that I know to be such; but believers in contra causal free will 
> >> think that at
> >> least some of their actions are.
> > Does anyone describe themselves as a believer in Contra Causal Free
> > Will?  People do
> > describe themselves as incompatibilist libertarians, and all they need
> > to believe
> > is that some of their actions are not entirely determined, and that
> > whatever random
> > element was involved was not fatal to their rationality, and their
> > ownership
> > of the action.
> I don't see that as contrary to compatibilism which holds that 'free will' is 
> compatible
> with determinism

Well, incompatibilism is incompatible with determinism because
incompatibilist libertarians
think that if all their actions are determined, they have not FW.

>(but not that determinism is necessarily true).  Of course an otherwise
> deterministic intelligence may make a random choice as part of a rational 
> strategy.  Does
> libertarian free will *require* that some actions be random?

Yes, or at least some elements of some actions.

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