On Jun 15, 5:17 pm, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > On 6/15/2012 8:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 14 Jun 2012, at 18:21, John Clark wrote: > > >> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com > >> <mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> > I don't understand how we can change the judicial system if we don't > >> have free > >> will. All we can do is exist and watch to see whether we end up being > >> compelled to > >> change it or not by forces outside of our control. > > >> And so it goes, one group screams cries and jumps up and down insisting > >> that we do have > >> free will and another group is just as insistent that we do not. But > >> neither group can > >> stop yelling for one second to ask what "free will" is supposed to mean. > >> I humbly > >> suggest that we first decide what "free will" is, and only then would it > >> be fruitful to > >> debate the question of whether people have this interesting property or > >> not; until then > >> it's just a tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury signifying > >> nothing. > > > OK. Perhaps we should always make at least precise if we talk about > > compatibilist free > > will (c-free-will) or non comptatibilist free will (nc-free-will). People > > defending > > nc-free-will should say so. > > > In comp, c-free-will is rather easy to define, and even a variety of ways, > > and computer > > science theorem justifies a role, and plausibly a "darwinian selectable > > role" for some > > of the possible definitions. > > > About nc-free-will, I have not any idea (yet?) about what it could mean. I > > tend to agree > > with John on this. > > It seems pretty clear. It's an ability to make decisions in a spirit realm > and have them > implemented in the physical realm.
No: it;'s the ability to have made a difference but still rational decision under the same circumstances. What you are talking about is a third kind of FW, a kind that is not just incompatibilist but supernatural to boot. But there are naturalistic libertarians. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.