On Jun 19, 3:59 pm, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 1Z <peterdjo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> how would the world be different if causes WERE reasons?
> > > if someone gets struck  by lightning, God really does hate them.
> I pray to God you're joking.

Causes=reasons is *your* idea. I'm just stating the consequence.

> > Reasons are aims and intentions in the minds of intelligent agents which
> > explain and justify their actions. If you want to promote causes to
> > reasons, you are going to need a lot more intelligent agents.
> So the difference between intelligent agents and other complex things like
> cells or computers or redwood trees or galaxies is that intelligent agents
> do things because of reasons but other mechanical things do things because
> of causes;

Sufficiently advanced AIs and non human animals may count
as intelligent agents too.

> and the difference between causes and reasons is that reasons do
> things to intelligent agents but causes do things to other mechanical
> things.

No. Causes do, reasons explain.

>And around and around we go and where we stop nobody knows.

You seem to be alleging  that "intelligent agent" and "reason" have
been defined in a mutually circular way. They haven't been.

> And when you say "the reason the street's wet is that it's raining" you are
> implying that asphalt is an intelligent agent.

No, that's a deviant use of "reason", which you have based
you whole argument on. It is as if you are insisting that ships
really are female because they are called "she".

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