On 19 Jun 2012, at 20:53, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:

On 19.06.2012 09:50 Bruno Marchal said the following:


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This might be because you confine yourself to christian theologians.
I read a long time ago a book ("La malle de Newton") which confirms
Newton neo-platonic tendencies. Keep in mind that neo-platonist have
to hide their idea since Rome, and still today. Theology comes from

I am not that sure. The Church was not uniform and there were many different intellectual groups as usually fighting with each other. Neo-platonists belonged just to one of such groups. Below there are a couple of quotes from Soul of Science.

Well, if we talk about Giordano Bruno

"He argued that the Egyptian pantheism described in the hermetic writings was superior to Christianity."

This was too much for Christians and Bruno was burned. Yet most Christians as neo-platonists did not want to replace Christianity.

"Whereas the Christian Aristotelian tradition stressed God’s rationality, the neo-Platonic tradition stressed His indwelling spirit working in and through matter. A favorite metaphor was God as an artisan—“the best and most orderly Artisan of all,” in the words of
Copernicus."

"Like Aristotelianism, neo-Platonism saw the world as an organism but with a different emphasis: In explaining natural processes it appealed not to rational Forms but to the creative power of spiritual forces. These forces were often regarded as divine, or at least as avenues of divine activity in the world."

"Neo-Platonism contained two somewhat distinct streams of thought. One stream can be traced in astronomy; it contained a strong Pythagorean element with a profound and even mystical respect for mathematics. The other stream can be traced in medicine and early chemistry; it focused on immanent, quasi-spiritual forces in nature —“active principles,” as
they were called."

You will find in the Soul of Science many names of this tradition. It might be interesting to read theological works in this respect.

I am OK with this. Not sure it changes my point though. But I was simplifying for reason of definiteness. Christian have always kept a neoplatonist tendencies, but never able to put doubt on primitive matter. When you look at the detail, there are many nuances, even between catholic and protestants.

Bruno




Evgenii


the Platonic idea that what we see, observe and measure, is not the
whole of reality, but the christians came back with the strong
emphasis on the material nature of the creation, and the
oversimplication and personification of the "creator".

Bruno

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