On 7/10/2012 10:49 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
There is something deeply religious in many scientifics in his quest to expand their
Truth. And there is also something very philosophical indeed. But they ignore both. They
ignore their beliefs and their positivistic metaphisics, born in the disputes between
nominalists and realists during the middle ages. And there is no stronger faith than the
faith that see himself as aboslute truth about everithing, that ignores its shorcomings
and its history, and that show contempt or even denial of entire parts of the reality.
This furious scientist proselitism us understandable and it is even healthy, because
the idea of a objective scientist with no emotions is hypocrite.
That shows once again that faith is something a society can not live without,. because
faith in ultimate, unexplained truths is the prerequisite for any coordinated social
action. And the truths upon which a society build itself is its most valuable treasure.
This seems of topic, but I suggest something to discuss here: shared human conscience.
We live in a shared virtual conscience. It is shared because we share the context and it
is virtual because it depends in the context of shared beliefs: beliefs in the myths and
histories that created our country, beliefs in some moral laws, beliefs in the prestige
of some special humans: priests, scientifics, political figures of the past and the
present. We can not verify our beliefs because we have no time and no knowledge to do
so. So we resort to faith. faith in authority: being scientific, political or anything.
common faith and legitimated authority is necessary to live with others and thus
whenever a society is build, it needs it.
I think you are confounding faith and trust. Trust is something society, and all of us,
cannot live without. But trust doesn't mean belief without evidence. As Ronald Reagan
famously said, "Trust, but verify." Faith means trusting and never trying to verify.
That we can live without. We have trust in authorities who have proven trustworthy in the
past. We bet on many things even though we never have certain knowledge, but that doesn't
mean we have no knowledge or that we should not test our knowledge.
And the assault of the foundational social truths and the core beliefs of the people is
central for any battle for power
Exactly what happens when beliefs are faith and are divorced from empirical test - then
all that remains is a struggle for power to impose arbitrary beliefs to be held on faith.
Brent
Do the hawking Theory of everything says something about this? I´m soure, because it is
about everyhing, Isn´t?
2012/7/7 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be <mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>>
On 07 Jul 2012, at 15:31, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote:
My comments to Grand Design by Stephen Hawking and Leonard Mlodinow,
especially
to the statement from the book
“Traditionally these are questions for philosophy, but philosophy is
dead.
Philosophy has not kept up with modern developments in science,
particularly
physics. Scientists have become the bearers of the torch of discovery
in our
quest for knowledge.”
http://blog.rudnyi.ru/2012/07/philosophy-is-dead.html
I am not so much in favor of "professional philosophers", which does not
mean that
some of them do good ... science (like Maudlin, Slezak, even McGuin: it is
real
reasoning).
But that statement looks like the blind arrogance of physics, which ignores
the mind
body problem systematically for years.
Consciousness might be the grain of sand which will remind us that we might
try to
be a bit more modest.
To say that scientists have become the bearer of the knowledge quest is a
truism
becoming false when the scientist put a problem under the rug.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ <http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/%7Emarchal/>
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