John: I think those arithmetical values must be implemented in matter to
Richard: Agreed, as long as the compactified dimensions of string theory
are a form of matter and I am a crackpot.
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 11:53 AM, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> > A popular subproblem consists in explaining how a grey brain can
>> generate the subjective color An outline would be given by
>> 1) a theory of qualia. This just means some semi-axiomatic definition of
>> qualia, some agreement of what characterize them, etc. (For example: qualia
>> are subjective sensation
> And subjective sensations are qualia. You need more than a dictionary list
> of synonyms and I have no idea how to get more. And if you're not clear
> about what you're trying to explain then your theory explaining that vague
> mush is unlikely to be any good.
> > 2) a theory of mind. this can be computationalism, or even just computer
>> science, or even just arithmetic + a supervenience thesis.
> By "supervenience thesis" I assume you mean a theory explaining how lower
> level operations of a system, like the firing of neurons in the brain, can
> lead to higher level attributes like intelligence and consciousness. Well
> yes that's the name of the game and I can see how the quest for a
> intelligence theory would be genuine science; but the other would not be
> because consciousness theories are just too easy to crank out, out of the
> infinite number of potential consciousness theories there is no way to
> experimentally determine which one is correct. That is also why
> consciousness theories (but not intelligence theorys!) are so popular with
> And its got to be more than just arithmetic. Numerical relationships
> always have and always will exist, but the mind of John K Clark has not and
> will not. I think those arithmetical values must be implemented in matter
> to become operational.
>> > 3) an embedding of the theory of qualia in the theory of mind,
>> respecting some faithfulness conditions.
> Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you mean the use of induction to infer
> the structure of something from statistical data, but you have no data at
> all about the consciousness of anything except for that of Bruno Marchal
> and you can't develop a viable theory or even use induction with only one
> > Most religious belief, like the belief in the existence of primary
>> matter, or of mind, or God, etc, can be seen as attempt to clarify, or
>> hide, the mind-body problem.
> Religion never EVER clarifies anything, it just adds pointless wheels
> within wheels to the problem of mind that is already complex enough as it
> John K Clark
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