causality exist in the world of the mind, not in the external world. In a block universe where the universe is a mathematical manifold, where time is embedded, and thus has nothing but a local meaning, causality also has no meaning, except for the living being that go along a line of maximum gradient of entropy and feel itself at each point of this line as going trough time.
Natural selection is not causal, it chooses gene sequences form the pool of available mutations whose phenothypic results produce good outcomes. It select the genetic sequence that open the mouth of the fish after seeing the prey, others sequences are not selected, but at a psychological level it seems causal (the fish open the mouth because'`it see the prey). Thus, causality in the psychological sense exist, so it exist for social life, moral, law, personal responsibility etc. In mathematical terms, in a block universe out of time where there is not a privileged direction of event production, this has no meaning. In a physical term, microscopical laws are reversible and causality can be inverted. Even the events can be looked at laterally as if time progressed perpendicular to the usual direction of time. Macroscopical laws seem causal because they use time, but time is a product of the way we observe the world as living beings, in the direction of entropy increase, so the macroscopic laws are valid IF the premise of observation from a maximum gradient of entropy direction holds. It is amazing to remember that the gas laws, the Archimedes principle, the chemical laws etc are statistical and probability laws which are true because the second principle of thermodynamic holds, but this principle holds only along the direction of the living beings which observe them. 2012/9/3 Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net>: > Hi meekerdb > > I don't hold to Popper's criterion. > There's got to be a lot of things that are not falsifiable. > For example, you drop an apple and gravity pulls it down. > You can't turn off the gravity to falsify it, at least in that situation. > And any one-time event isn't falsifiable. Death, for example. > > Actually, Hume discussed cause and effect to some great length. > He said that there's no such thing, you merely observe that something > follows another and assume cause and effect. There's no proof. > > There's no real certainty said Hume, that just because the sun comes up > every morning that it will do so tomorrow. > > Leibniz also believed as Hume did. > > > Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net > 9/3/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him > so that everything could function." > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: meekerdb > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-09-02, 15:28:15 > Subject: Re: No Chinese Room Necessary > > On 9/2/2012 9:09 AM, John Clark wrote: >> 6) Evolution has no foresight: This is the most important reason of all. >> A jet engine works better than a prop engine in an airplane. I give you a >> prop engine and tell you to turn it into a jet, but you must do it while >> the engine is running, you must do it in one million small steps, and you >> must do it so every one of those small steps immediately improves >> the operation >> of the engine. Eventually you would get an improved engine of some >> sort, but it >> wouldn't look anything like a jet. > > Good exposition. But it's not the case every small step must be an > improvement. It's > sufficient that it not be a degradation. > > Brent > "What designer would put a recreational area between two waste disposal > sites?" > --- Woody Allen, on Intelligent Design > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
