On 12 Sep 2012, at 14:03, Roger Clough wrote:

Hi Bruno Marchal

I don't think that a man with a robotic body would be very
 sexy to a lady, would he ? Love begins in the gonads.

By definition of comp, the lady can't see the difference. Apparently your daughter did not complain,did she?, as they still want to mary him. For her, it is just him.

Applesoft's artificial gonads have a 150 years warranty. If you have a problem call an Applesoft center close by.
(in some few centuries "near" futures).

The difference between artificial and natural is artificial. And thus natural. It is natural for entities developing (big) egos relatively to their probable environments.


Bruno



Roger Clough, [email protected]
9/12/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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On 11 Sep 2012, at 15:56, Roger Clough wrote:

Hi Jason Resch

What do we have that machines don't ?

Intelligence, consciousnness, awareness. feelings--
in short, we have life, machines don't


And what if your daughter did marry that man with an artificial body? How will you behave with him, and with your daughter? If this seems to you impossible, what in the brain is not Turing emulable (or Turing recoverable by 1-indeterminacy)?

I feel unease with speculation leading to a restriction on the possible persons. Why not being agnostic at the least?

Bruno





Roger Clough, [email protected]
9/11/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
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On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Roger Clough <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Alberto G. Corona
>
> Religious communion with God and prayer are transcendental so
> not computable.
>
>

Even those of the past who looked down on the "barbaric" and
"uncivilized" native people believed they could be converted and
saved. You profess that androids (like Data in star trek) is at an
even lower place (than those who looked down on foreigners). What do
we have that machines don't? We are all quarks and electrons, so what
magic are the machines missing?

Jason

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