Hi Stephen P. King
Not sure I understand your objection, but
faith, being subjective (hence personal)
is at least to first order principally in one individual.
At the same time, however, since
Mind is nonlocal, there has to be some
spillover from other minds of like thinking.
According to the monadology, also, an
individual with his "perceptions"
has a limited ability to see into the
future.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/16/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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On 9/15/2012 8:57 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
Faith is merely trust. I could have faith in a doorknob.
But I wouldn't try faith in Satan.
Even the doorknob would work to some extent, for trust opens you
up to authority, to submission, and submission
is the meat and potatoes of salvation. It's the
bending over that does the work. In the case of salvation,
bending over to Jesus.
Hi Roger,
I do not wish to sink into Scholastic style arguments, but I am trying to
make a point here. Faith must be anticipatory or it is not capable of being
"knowledge of things unseen". If I where the one entity in the universe then it
would not make any sense to confine "knowledge of things not seem" to a future
tensed domain as anything that is beyond my direct reach would be in the domain
defined by the "not seen", but we appear to live in a universe where I can
communicate with the fellow around the corner with a radio and he can tell me
all about that is happening beyond my local reach.
Thus if we are trying to be logically consistent in our definitions, we
have to restrict the domain of Faith to the common future of any that I might
be able to communicate with; "not seen" means not seen to anyone that I can
communicate with, no? =-O
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/15/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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On 9/14/2012 7:09 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
Faith can be expressed as a belief, but faith itself is inner trust,
confidence, etc.
Faith
Noun:Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual
apprehension rather than proof.
Dear Roger,
But not just "anything" it is contained to cover only that which is
possible in the future. Faith is forward projected belief. I have faith that
the bridge can support my weight because it is possible to falsify that belief
when I am actually crossing it..
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/14/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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Time: 2012-09-13, 13:21:50
Subject: Re: Re: The poverty of computers
On Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:43:39 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
The shared part of religion (or science) is called belief(s).
They are exclusively in the fom of words.
For example words from the Bible, and the Creeds.
The personal or private part of religion is called faith.
It is not belief, for it is wordless, is more like trust or motivation.
Religion trusts its creeds, science trust the laws of physics etc.
It sounds like you are talking about the particular forms of religion though.
In some other traditions, faith can be the public proclamation in words and
belief is the privately expressed as wordless.
Craig
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