On 9/15/2012 8:57 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
Faith is merely trust. I could have faith in a doorknob.
But I wouldn't try faith in Satan.
Even the doorknob would work to some extent, for trust opens you
up to authority, to submission, and submission
is the meat and potatoes of salvation. It's the
bending over that does the work. In the case of salvation,
bending over to Jesus.
Hi Roger,
I do not wish to sink into Scholastic style arguments, but I am
trying to make a point here. Faith must be anticipatory or it is not
capable of being "knowledge of things unseen". If I where the one entity
in the universe then it would not make any sense to confine "knowledge
of things not seem" to a future tensed domain as anything that is beyond
my direct reach would be in the domain defined by the "not seen", but we
appear to live in a universe where I can communicate with the fellow
around the corner with a radio and he can tell me all about that is
happening beyond my local reach.
Thus if we are trying to be logically consistent in our
definitions, we have to restrict the domain of Faith to the common
future of any that I might be able to communicate with; "not seen" means
not seen to anyone that I can communicate with, no? =-O
Roger Clough, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
9/15/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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On 9/14/2012 7:09 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
Faith can be expressed as a belief, but faith itself is inner
trust, confidence, etc.
Faith
Noun:
1. Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
2. Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based
on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
Dear Roger,
But not just "anything" it is contained to cover only that
which is possible in the future. Faith is forward projected
belief. I have faith that the bridge can support my weight because
it is possible to falsify that belief when I am actually crossing
it..
Roger Clough, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
9/14/2012
Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him
so that everything could function."
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*Time:* 2012-09-13, 13:21:50
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On Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:43:39 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
The shared part of religion (or
science) is called belief(s).
They are exclusively in the fom of words.
For example words from the Bible, and the Creeds.
The personal or private part of religion is called faith.
It is not belief, for it is wordless, is more like
trust or motivation.
Religion trusts its creeds, science trust the laws of
physics etc.
It sounds like you are talking about the particular forms of
religion though. In some other traditions, faith can be the
public proclamation in words and belief is the privately
expressed as wordless.
Craig
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