Hi Bruno Marchal God's ideas is fine. The numbers and arithmetic etc. can inhere in some mind. The numbers are (idealistically) real, as I think all arithmetic must be. For it is true whether known or not. At least as you stay with common numbers and arithmetic. Pretty sure.

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Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/24/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-24, 09:12:29 Subject: Re: Prime Numbers On 24 Sep 2012, at 12:39, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Bruno Marchal > > Numbers are not in spacetime, that is, are not at location r at time > t. > So they are ideas, God's ideas? Then I am OK. The comp God is arithmetical truth, so this works. > they are not physical. OK. > To be physical you > have to have a specific location at a specific time. I am OK with this, but note that it makes the Universe into a non physical object. The Universe cannot belong to a location r at time t, as it is the gauge making such position and time consistent in the picture. > This is not > my view, it is that of Descartes. > > The same with arithmetic. Numbers and arithmetic statements are not > at (r,t). OK. > > Which is not to say that they are not real, if by real I mean true > or as is without an observer. Like in a textbook. OK. So you can understand how comp is interesting, as it explains (partially but more than any other theory) how the physical beliefs appears and why they come in two sort of shapes (quanta and qualia), and this without assuming anything more than elementary arithmetic and the invariance of consciousness for some digital transformations. Then the "big picture" happens to be closer to the neoplatonists one than the aristotelian one, which I think you should appreciate. Bruno http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.