On 10/3/2012 4:20 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Stephen:
are you compofrtable to imagine yourSELF and the warehouse of your
MEMORIES - /*_all excluding any relations to your body_*/?
Then what? I think the complexity *_"WE"_* includes the part thought
of as body and bodily feelings so an abstract transport would not
result in 'ourselves'.
Even the (oriental) 'experts' in reincarnation deny memories of the
previous format. The 'ant' does not remember what kind of 'man' he
was, nor does a 'man' remember his former life-form.
Why should the 'expert' teleportation differ?
JM
The following is purely speculative. In reincarnation, we lose the
information body completely (and all the classically encoded memories)
and plunge back into Aris, in teleportation we keep the record of the
body and reconstruct the states of it somewhere else, thus preserving
the connection. All motion that is occurring now is teleportation, just
in very small distances. The environment is both measuring us and
reconstructing in the next location.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Stephen P. King <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 10/2/2012 5:57 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Stephen (and Bruno?)
What I called The Aris - Total- meaning Aristotle's maxim that
/the 'whole' is bigger than the sum of its parts/ - means
something else in MY agnosticism. Originally I included only the
fact what Bruno pointed out now: that the PARTS (as accounted
for) develop relations (qualia) adding to the totality they
participate in. Lately, however, I added to my view that beyond
the accountable *_parts _*(forget now the relations) there are
participant 'inconnu'-s from outside our (inventoried)
model knowable as of yesterday. So whatever we take inventory of
is an (accountable) *_partial_* only.
Beyond that - of course - Aristotle's 'total' (/_"material parts
only")_/ of his inventory was truly smaller than the above
*_TOTAL_* in its entire complexity.
The fact that complexity-parts extracted, or replaced may not
discontinue the function of the 'total' is my problem with death:
how to identify THOSE important components which are inevitable
for maintaining the function as was?
(Comes back to my negative attitude towards transport - hype (to
Moscow, or another planet/universe) - complexity has uncountable
connections in the infinite relations. How much could we possibly
include (in our wildest fantasy) into the tele-transporting of a
"person" (or whatever) so that the original functionality should
be still detectable?)
Heavenly afterlife anybody?
John Mikes
Hi John,
"Aris", I like it! One question is how much of one's sense of
self and memories can be carried across. Function does not seem to
do this alone as it is completely independent of the physical "body".
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Stephen P. King
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 10/1/2012 1:00 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Physiological realities are mechanistic. Biologists
and doctors are
mechanists. Even if you claim that "the whole is
greater than the sum
of its parts" that does not mean that if yoyu replace
the parts the
whole will stop working.
Yes. Anti-mechanist often refer to "the whole is bigger
than the parts", but nowhere else than in computer and
engineering is it more true that the whole is bigger than
the part, if only because the whole put some specific
structure on the relation between parts.
We might simplify this by saying that the whole
*structural complexity* grows like an exponential (or
more) when the whole cardinality grows linearly.
H Bruno,
Could you source some further discussions of this idea?
From my own study of Cantor's tower of infinities, I have
found the opposite, complexity goes to zero as the cardinals
lose the ability to be named.
--
Onward!
Stephen
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