Hi Craig Weinberg After looking at how computers make choices-- whether they are free or whatever-- I now see that my previous position that computers have no intelligence was not exactly right, because they do have intelligence, but it is different from ours. It is not free exactly but free to act as long as it obeys reason. I'm still trying to figure this out. The choice is made cooperatively, by three parties, platonically, in secondness by the All (reason) comparing thirdness with firstness.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/15/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-13, 19:16:35 Subject: Re: Re: Re: I believe that comp's requirement is one of "as if"ratherthan"is" On Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:59:50 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 4:15 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > ROGER: But if a computer beats you at an intelligent task, it would have to > be programmed to do so. > which means that its intelligence would be that of the programmer. This > is always the case. > Computers cannot make free choices on arbitray problems. So they have no > intelligence. But if a human beats you at an intelligent task he would have been programmed to do so - by evolution, by parents, teachers and various other aspects of the environment. So the intelligence of the human is really the intelligence of his programmers. This assumes some kind if tabula rasa era toy model of human development. As you can see from the differences between conjoined twins, who have the same nature and nurture, the same environment, that they are not the same people and do not necessarily have the same kinds of intelligences. Human beings are not programmed, they have to willingly participate in their own lives, they have to direct their attention to discover their own personal preferences. Craig -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/0lZGKq9qpKQJ. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
