On 15 Oct 2012, at 16:14, Roger Clough wrote:

Hi Craig Weinberg

After looking at how computers make choices--
whether they are free or whatever-- I now see
that my previous position that computers have
no intelligence was not exactly right, because
they do have intelligence,  but it is different
from ours.  It is not free exactly but free to
act as long as it obeys reason.

Even ideal machines driven by reason have to face their irrationality when looking inward.

Bruno




I'm still trying to
figure this out. The choice is made cooperatively,
by three parties, platonically, in secondness by
the All (reason) comparing thirdness with firstness.

Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/15/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen


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On Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:59:50 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 4:15 AM, Roger Clough  wrote:

ROGER: But if a computer beats you at an intelligent task, it would have to be programmed to do so. which means that its intelligence would be that of the programmer. This is always the case. Computers cannot make free choices on arbitray problems. So they have no intelligence.

But if a human beats you at an intelligent task he would have been
programmed to do so - by evolution, by parents, teachers and various
other aspects of the environment. So the intelligence of the human is
really the intelligence of his programmers.


This assumes some kind if tabula rasa era toy model of human development. As you can see from the differences between conjoined twins, who have the same nature and nurture, the same environment, that they are not the same people and do not necessarily have the same kinds of intelligences. Human beings are not programmed, they have to willingly participate in their own lives, they have to direct their attention to discover their own personal preferences.

Craig




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