Hi meekerdb
1p = Firstness
3p = Thirdness
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/17/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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From: meekerdb
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Time: 2012-10-16, 16:19:29
Subject: Re: Is consciousness just an emergent property of
overlycomplexcomputations ?
On 10/16/2012 12:41 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 10/16/2012 2:42 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/16/2012 7:44 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Hi Alberto,
OK, I am officially confused by your statements. You previously wrote:
"Magic emergence from magic enough complexity has been advocated for almost
anything." and now you suggest that consciousness is contingent on a level of
evolution, ala: "... in this stage of evolution a form of consciousness becomes
a necessity".
How is this not an argument for emergence from complexity? What is
evolution other than a mechanism in Nature to generate increasing stable
complex structures in the physical universe? Either consciousness is an
irreducible primitive or it is not?
I agree that complexity *is* involved when we consider issues such as
"reportablity" of consciousness, but the property of "having a subjective
experience of being in the world" itself can be strongly argued to flow at the
most basic level that allows differences.
If there are no inputs from the world to perceive, e.g. a person in a sensory
deprivation tank, or the 'perceptions' are very simple interactions, e.g. an
orbital electron scattering a photon what will be the content of this
subjective experience?
Brent
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Hi Brent,
How so? Do we humans have "orbital electron scattering" of photons as
actual experiential content?
No, but Craig thinks electrons do.
It seems to me that all talk of "orbital electron scattering a photon" that is
an abstract narrative that we talk to each other about and use to make
predictions of phenomena that is within our sphere of mutual non-contradiction.
Sure, the 3p story is one we create to explain intersubjective agreement about
1p experience. But my point is that consciousness is not basic, otherwise it
wouldn't need external stimuli to avoid infinite loops.
Brent
Our knowledge of physical laws, like all content of experience is 1p that could
be defined as 3p iff possible.
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Onward!
Stephen
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