John,
A fixed universal machine (some hardwired one, like a brain or a
laptop) can emulate a self-modifying universal machine, even one which
modifies itself "completely".
Bruno
On 26 Oct 2012, at 23:08, John Mikes wrote:
Stathis:
IMO you left out one difference in equating computer and human: the
programmed comp. cannot exceed its hardwre - given content while
(SOMEHOW???) a human mind receives additional information from parts
'unknown' (see the steps forward in cultural history of the
sciences?) - accordingly a 'programmed' human may have resources
beyond it's given "hardware" content.
John M
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Stathis Papaioannou <stath...@gmail.com
> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> Intentionally lying, defying it's programming, committing murder
would all
> be good indicators. Generally when an error is blamed on the
computer itself
> rather than the programming, that would be a good sign.
A computer cannot defy its programming but nothing whatsoever can defy
its programming. What you do when you program a computer, at the basic
level, is put its hardware in a particular configuration. The hardware
can then only move into future physical states consistent with that
configuration. "Defying its programming" would mean doing something
*not* consistent with its initial state and the laws of physics.
That's not possible for - and you have explicitly agreed with this,
saying I misunderstood you when I claimed otherwise - either a
computer or a human.
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