Roger, Is God part of your reality and if so how do you experience God, or is god just a theory.? For me god is described by a theory. Richard
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi Evgenii Rudnyi > > Weyl makes complicated what is ultimately simple-- > reality, which is subjective, which is experiencing, > which is now. Which is focussing your attention > on your breath going out and coming in. This is what > yoga teaches. Weyl does best we he touches on color. > > Reality is knowledge by acquaintance. The best that science > can give us is knowledge by description. But that is > just words, code, and words are not reality. The > only reality is in experiencing, such as experiencing > your breathing. > > Kierkegard said it much better than Weyl, when he > stated that truth is subjective. > > > Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net > 11/4/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Evgenii Rudnyi > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-11-03, 14:01:41 > Subject: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality > > > Some more quotes from Bas C Van Fraassen Scientific Representation: > Paradoxes of Perspective. This time on what Weyl has said on isomorphism > between mathematics and reality. > > p. 208 "Herman Weyl expressed the fundamental insight as follows in 1934: > > 'A science can never determine its subject-matter expect up to > isomorphic representation. The idea of isomorphism indicates the > self-understood, insurmountable barrier of knowledge. [...T]oward the > "nature" of its objects science maintains complete indifference.' (Weyl > 1934:19) > > The initial assertion is clearly based on two basic convictions: > > o that scientific representation is mathematical, and > o that in mathematics no distinction cuts across structural sameness." > > p. 209 "Weyl illustrates this with the example of a color space and an > isomorphic geometric object. ... The color space is a region on the > projective plane. If we can nevertheless distinguish the one from the > other, or from other attribute spaces with that structure, doesn't that > mean that we can know more that what science, so conceived, can deliver? > Weyl accompanies his point about this limitation with an immediate > characterization of the 'something else' which is then left un-represented. > > 'This - for example what distinguish the colors from the point of the > projective plane - one can only know in immediate alive intuition.' (Ibid.)" > > p. 210 "We seem to be left with four equally unpalatable alternatives: > > o that either the point about isomorphism and mathematics is mistaken, or > > o that scientific representation is not at bottom mathematical > representation alone, or > > o that science is necessarily incomplete in a way we can know it to be > incomplete, or > > o that those apparent differences to us, cutting across isomorphism, > are illusory. > > In his comment about immediate alive intuition, Weyl appears to opt for > the second, or perhaps the third, alternative. But on the either of > this, we face a perplexing epistemological question: Is there something > that I could know to be the case, and which is not expressed by a > proposition that could be part of some scientific theory?" > > Evgenii > -- > http://blog.rudnyi.ru/tag/bas-c-van-fraassen > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to email@example.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.