Hi Bruno Marchal Plato says that we all live in a dark cave, seeing only shadows on the wall, eager to see the light outside. So there is at least a duality which I call platonia (heaven) and contingia (earth).
Platonia contains the necessary stuff, the dark cave we live in contains the contingent stuff. Roger Clough, [email protected] 11/10/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-11-08, 10:22:14 Subject: Re: Communicability On 08 Nov 2012, at 14:45, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 11/8/2012 6:43 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >> Hi meekerdb >> >> So how does Platonia's perfect necessary classes restrain or >> contain this world of contingency ? Or does it ? > > Hi Roger, > > That is exactly my question! How does Platonism show the > contingent to be necessary? As far as I have found, it cannot show > necessity of the contingent. In the rush to define the perfect, all > means to show the necessity of contingency was thrown out. This is > why I propose that we define existence as necessary possibility; we > have contingency built into our ontology in that definition. ;-) In which modal logic? What you say directly contradict G?el's theorem, which shows, at many different levels the necessity of the possible. We even get that for all (true) sigma_1 sentences (the "atomic events in the UD execution) p -> []<>p, that is the truth of p implies the necessity of the possibility of p, with []p = either the box of the universal soul (S4Grz1), or the box of the intelligible or sensible matter (Z1* and X1*). The modal logics becomes well defined, and allows, in Platonia, all the imperfections that you can dream of (which of course is not necessarily a good news). Bruno > >> >> Roger Clough, [email protected] >> 11/8/2012 >> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen >> >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> From: meekerdb >> Receiver: everything-list >> Time: 2012-11-07, 13:19:38 >> Subject: Re: Communicability >> >> >> On 11/7/2012 5:52 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: >> Again: we are still left without an explanation as to how the >> accidental coincidence of a Platonic Truth and an actual fact of >> the world occurs. >> >> Why do you write 'accidental'? Platonia is our invention to >> describe classes of facts by abstracting away particulars. >> >> Brent >> > > > -- > Onward! > > Stephen > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en > . > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
