On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 8:16 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 12/16/2012 1:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 06 Dec 2012, at 15:00, Roger Clough wrote: > > Hi Stephen P. King > > OK, after thinking it over, it seems there's two ways of thinking > about L's metaphysics. > > 1) (My way) The Idealist way, that being L's metaphysics as is. > > 2) (Your way) The atheist/materialist way, that being the usual > atheist/materialistc view of the universe --- as long as you > realize that strictly speaking this is not correct, but the universe > acts "as if" there's no God. I have trouble with this view > in speaking of "mental space", but I suppose you can > consider mental states to exist "as if" they are real. > L's metaphysics has no conflicts with the phenomenol > world (the physical world you see and that of science), > but L would say that strictly speaking, the phenomenol world is > not real, only its monadic representation is real. > > I have not yet worked Bruno's view into this scheme, but > a first guess is that Bruno's world is 2). > > > Atheism is a variant of christinanism. > > The atheists believe in the god MATTER (primitive physical universe), > and seems to make sense only of the most naive conception of the Christian > God, even if it is to deny it. > > I am personally not an atheists at all as I do not believe in primitive > matter. I am agnostic, but I can prove that the CTM is incompatible with > that belief. I do believe in the God of Plato (Truth). > > > But you don't believe in the god of theism, the omnipotent, > ominibenevolent, omnibeneficent person who judges, punishes, and rewards. > So I'd say your an atheist - if I were so bold as to say what other people > mean when they designate their beliefs. > ...also, a god that shows a surprising level of interest in what we, puny humans, do with our genitals. I was going to make a very similar comment, but then decided against it. Bruno is a brilliant philosopher, so I guess it doesn't matter how he labels himself. I can understand the reluctance to be associated with a type of close-mindness present in (some) atheists. > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
