Hi Bruno Marchal 

I probably agree, but what is the primitive
physical universe ?


[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/16/2012 
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On 06 Dec 2012, at 15:00, Roger Clough wrote:


Hi Stephen P. King 

OK, after thinking it over, it seems there's two ways of thinking 
about L's metaphysics.

1) (My way) The Idealist way, that being L's metaphysics as is.

2) (Your way) The atheist/materialist way, that being the usual 
atheist/materialistc view of the universe --- as long as you 
realize that strictly speaking this is not correct, but the universe 
acts "as if" there's no God. I have trouble with this view
in speaking of "mental space", but I suppose you can 
consider mental states to exist "as if" they are real. 
L's metaphysics has no conflicts with the phenomenol
world (the physical world you see and that of science), 
but L would say that strictly speaking, the phenomenol world is 
not real, only its monadic representation is real. 

I have not yet worked Bruno's view into this scheme, but
a first guess is that Bruno's world is 2).


Atheism is a variant of christinanism.


The atheists believe in the god MATTER (primitive physical universe), and seems 
to make sense only of the most naive conception of the Christian God, even if 
it is to deny it.


I am personally not an atheists at all as I do not believe in primitive matter. 
I am agnostic, but I can prove that the CTM is incompatible with that belief. I 
do believe in the God of Plato (Truth).


Bruno








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12/6/2012 
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On 12/5/2012 1:01 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote:

L's monads have perception.
They sense the entire universe.

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:

> Hi Stephen P. King
>
>
> God isn't artificially inserted into L's metaphysics,
> it's a necessary part, because everything else (the monads)
> afre blind and passive. Just as necessary as the One is to Plato's
> metaphysics.
>
>
>
>
Hi Richard,

    Yes, the monads have an entire universe as its perception. What 
distinguishes monads from each other is their 'point of view' of a universe. 
One has to consider the idea of closure for a monad, my conjecture is that the 
content of perception of a monad must be representable as an complete atomic 
Boolean algebra.


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Stephen


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