On 17 Dec 2012, at 20:27, Richard Ruquist wrote:

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On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>wrote:Why just 8? I would have expected every possible "person pointspf view"consistent with MWI. RichardThere is 8 main types of points of view given by:Dear Bruno,p1Bp2Bp & p3Bp & Dt4Bp & Dt & p5 I count 5. Where are 6, 7 and 8?Still sleeping near the heat system in the classrom :) 1 is divine2 splits into G and G*. Thay split into a terrestrial person and adivineperson. 3 is both terrestrial and divine (the soul does not split)4 splits, 5 splits (there are really four material hypostases, butthequantum appears apparently only on the divine part of the person,which isnormal with the infinite origin of matter, by the 1p-indeterminacy).Bruno, This sounds much more like a mind/body or a natural/supernatural or a terrestrial/divine two-world characterization than MWI. You recommended reading SD (salvia divinorum) case studies. I have not read all 1575 case studies available or all of Andrews book, but so far they all also seem to reinforce a two-world reality. Could you relate these 8 incarnations to a MWI multiverse for us/me?

The multi-reality, with CTM, is the "many computations".

`The computations are realized in arithmetic through the Sigma_1`

`sentences (Ex<decidable-property (x, y)>), together with their proofs`

`(but this does not play a role at the propositional logical level).`

`The 8 hypostases gives a computationalist general theory of a person`

`or any machine in front of truth, and I model comp in the language of`

`that machine by restricting p to the sigma_1 sentences.`

`The 8 hypostases are just the logic of self-references and intensional`

`variants: they are a theology, or a psychology concerning a person (in`

`the simple case). The primary one: "God, Intellect, Soul", and the`

`secondary one, "matter one and matter two". This gives 8, as the`

`Intellect and the two matters splits into terrestrial and divine`

`(where here terrestrial means provable by the machine and divine means`

`true, in the structure (N,+, *)).`

`The "MW" things is more in the arithmetic richness, around the`

`computable and the non-computable.`

`Comp leads to a many dreams interpretations of arithmetic. The sigma_1`

`sentences have the property that p -> Bp, so their truth entails their`

`provability, and it corresponds to the proof of the existence of`

`machine relative states, always relatively to some other universal`

`numbers, or relatively to the initial system (arithmetic). The sigma_1`

`complete arithmetical reality is a universal dovetailing.`

`I think that if we are machine, it is absolutely undecidable to decide`

`if ontologically there is anything more than that, as the inside view`

`of this necessarily appears much more complex.`

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