Hi Telmo Menezes Could be, but so far no success.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/6/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-06, 07:51:49 Subject: Re: Hi Roger, Hi Telmo Menezes Thanks. But can such biomolecular structures develop into a living cell ? Current mainstream Biology believes that's the case. There isn't a complete model yet, but many pieces of the puzzle are already known. The current developmental theory is based on self-organisation processes. A cartoonish view of it would be that proteins are building blocks with highly specific affinities, so you can throw a bunch of them into the air and they will self-assembly into something more complex. This model is not just theoretical. Many cellular processes are known, and they all follow this principle. Effective drugs based on this model have been created. Modelling and entire cell has not been achieved yet, as far as I know. I know of people who are trying. The main problem seems to be that it's terribly complex. We seem to be getting closer as available computing power increases. Unlike generic artificial intelligence, where no amount of computing power can make up for the fact that we don't fully understand the first principles. If you don't mind a book recommendation: http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Order-Adaptation-Builds-Complexity/dp/0201442302/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1357476298&sr=8-4&keywords=hidden+order This is one of the books that changed the way I see the world. It's a bit dated but I love it. I think you might like it too, because it's essentially applied philosophy. Sheldrake's morphisms all pertain to living entities. I listed to a few of the videos and I can't help but like the guy. I just think that he's wrong in claiming that we cannot explain morphogenesis without his field. That doesn't mean that he hasn't come across phenomena that challenge our current understandings of reality. But we have to keep a cool mind. Monads do also, except that for Leibniz, the whole universe is alive. I have no problem with that idea. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/5/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-04, 16:57:26 Subject: Re: Re: Rupert Sheldrake - The Morphogenetic Universe Hi Roger, On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote: Hi Telmo Menezes All I can find on the web is that DNA only contains instructions to make various biomolecules such as proteins, RNA, etc. That's enough. Proteins fold into complex 3D structures with very specific chemical affinities. They are capable of self-assembling into specific macro-structures. Here's a simulation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm-dAvbl330 There's a field of biology dedicated to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_biology It only works on the molecular scale; the morphic fields are needed for larger macrostructrures. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/4/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-04, 03:51:54 Subject: Re: Rupert Sheldrake - The Morphogenetic Universe Hi Roger, On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Roger Clough ?rote: ?upert Sheldrake - The Morphogenetic Universe What is space ? ?here is no such thing as space, there are only fields, ? ? which are mathematical structures. Fine. ? What is matter ? There is no such thing as matter, because it is only a field. ? ? There is no such thing as mass, which is why there is no such thing needed ? ? as a Higgs field to form what we call mass. Hence we haven't found a Higgs ? ? or field. Ok. ? What causes a foetus to grow into a baby ? Is it DNA ? Biologists agree DNA does not do that. This I have a problem with. Biologists agree on no such thing and they do have very compelling explanations for how morphogenesis works. As an aside, I find that someone using some variation of the phrase "all scientists agree" is a very bad sign. I believe this results from an outdates view of the DNA as an inert blueprint. We now know that DNA is a computer program, capable of conditional execution based on inputs from the environment. Biologists call these mechanisms "gene regulatory networks": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_regulatory_network The initial?ndifferentiated?ell divides a number of times, and the accumulation of cells and their interactions eventually changes the environment in a way that triggers the expression of other segments of the genetic code. ? If these questions puzzle or intrigue you, you might want to watch Rupert Sheldrake's ?"The Morphogenetic Universe" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dm8-OpO9oQ [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/3/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. 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