On 10 Jan 2013, at 20:08, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/10/2013 8:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Jan 2013, at 22:03, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/9/2013 7:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 Jan 2013, at 13:18, Roger Clough wrote:
According to Plato, all love, all truth, and all beauty comes
from the One
(ie God). That being the case, when I experience love, truth or
beauty, I
sense God's presence.
I can be OK with this, but this will not convince an atheist, who
will tell you that if "beauty" is god, then he believes in God,
but that is not the God he is talking about when declaring
himself an atheist.
An atheist is just someone who does not believe in Santa Claus.
Really.
Some people suggests that comp is two times more atheistic than
atheism, because with comp, not only the literal Christian God
does not exist, but the myth or a primitive material universe has
to be abandoned too. I disagree because comp invite us firmly to
come back to the scientific notion of God (transcendental truth
at the root of everything, faith in reincarnation).
Science is always based on a religion.
?? Surely you mean a scientific theory is always based on a
"religion" by which you probably mean some basic assumptions. But
it doesn't follow that science as a whole is based on a
(singular?) religion.
Yes it is. Science is based on our faith in some "stable" reality.
This is at the root of both Aristotle and Plato Theology.
Ok, I can buy that. It even assumes that we can know about reality
in at least some approximate and incomplete sense.
OK.
So what's your religion, Bruno?
I believe that there is something.
What are its tenets that you believe on faith?
That there is something different from me.
But you have evidence for that - if you can figure out what is meant
by "me".
I think you need faith to make data into evidence.
Who are the adherents?
The non-solipsistic people. The belief in others is faith, even if
partially build in in our mammal brain. This makes us hard to
understand that it is faith, but with some work and introspection
you can get the point. It is very elementary and widespread
religion, and then with comp, it specializes a bit into a doctrine
close to Plato, Plotinus, and most mystics.
Brent
I'm a Solipist, and I must say I'm surprised there aren't more of us.
-- letter to Bertrand Russell
I'm a Solipsist and I am surprised that some student want to believe
me. (Brouwer, from memory, not exact terming, it was in Dutch ).
Bruno
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