Many questionable statements along this long conversation. To your quote (life library?) - it is a figment of our conventional (bio?) sciences, as we build 'life' theories from atoms - em - energy - etc. * I don't know about "Turing" ccness, but in my terms ccness is the response to relations. (Was: to information) In such sense DNA(?) (+ or not) citoplasm(?) may have such. JM
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > On 20 Jan 2013, at 18:17, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: > > Question. >> What is DNA ? >> > > Life library. > > > > DNA consist on atoms and electromagnetic fields. >> In 1904 Lorentz proved: there isn’t em field without Electron >> It means the source of this em field must be an Electron >> Then we need to write : >> DNA is atoms, electron (s) and electromagnetic fields. >> The simplest particle - electron have six ( 6 ) formulas >> and many theories. In the other words, we don’t know >> what electron is. >> In my opinion, if we understand electron we will better >> understand DNA. >> > > With comp atoms and field are parts of what we need to explain. > > Bruno > > > > > ==. >> >> >> On Jan 20, 12:52 pm, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >> >>> On 18 Jan 2013, at 09:32, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: >>> >>> Does DNA have consciousness to create the double helix >>>> from zygote to child ? >>>> >>> >>> Probably not. But the complex DNA+cytoplasm might have some >>> consciousness on vaster scale. very hard to decide this today. Then DNA >>> +cytoplasm might have the universal Turing machine consciousness, >>> which might be trivial tough, and quite disconnected from our >>> computational history. This might be trivial "consciousness". I am not >>> sure. >>> >>> Bruno >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==. >>>> >>> >>> On Jan 18, 1:25 am, Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:04 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net >>>>> >>>> >>> <socra...@bezeqint.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Descartes : “ I think, therefore I am “ >>>>>> Zen / Tibetan Buddhist monks : "I think not, therefore I am" >>>>>> Why they say: ' Mind for others , no mind for me' ? >>>>>> >>>>> >>> Are they fool men or maybe >>>>>> they know that there are two methods of cognitions. >>>>>> =======================.. >>>>>> >>>>> >>> Where does the information come from? >>>>>> >>>>> >>> Information can be transfered only by electromagnetic fields. >>>>>> In 1904 Lorentz proved: there isn’t em waves without Electron >>>>>> In our earthly world there is only one fundamental >>>>>> particle - electron who can transfer information. >>>>>> Can an electron be quant of information? >>>>>> What is an electron ? >>>>>> Now nobody knows. >>>>>> ============.. >>>>>> >>>>> >>> Big bang >>>>>> About “ big bang” is written many thick books. >>>>>> But nobody knows the reason of the “Big Bang”. >>>>>> I know. >>>>>> The action, when the God compresses all Universe >>>>>> into his palm, we named ‘ a singular point’. >>>>>> And action, when the God opens his palm, >>>>>> we named the ‘big bang". >>>>>> >>>>> >>> Actually the name should be Meta-Bang for Metaverse creation >>>>> and reserve the word Big-Bang for Universe creation. >>>>> I agree that the Metaverse comes from a primordial 26d singularity. >>>>> Richard >>>>> >>>> >>> # >>>>>> And the Catholic Church adopted the theory of Big Bang >>>>>> as a good proof of God existing. And Pope Pius XII >>>>>> declared this in 1951. >>>>>> http://discovermagazine.com/**2004/feb/cover/<http://discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/cover/> >>>>>> =================. >>>>>> >>>>> >>> Question: >>>>>> Does DNA Know Geometry ? >>>>>> >>>>> >>> I suspect that DNA came from the geometry of general relativity with >>>>> torsion. 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