On Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:17:12 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
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>  On 1/24/2013 9:44 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: 
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> On Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:13:25 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: 
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>>  On 1/23/2013 5:53 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: 
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>> I guess you are serious, but I can't imagine how you can actually believe 
>> that. You think that you turn the Mars rover on and there is some entity 
>> there which has an expectation about 'Mars' or Earth. It really doesn't. 
>> There is no entity there 
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>> So you repeat, ad nauseum.
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> ...and you deny.
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> But I give a reason for my idea.  That things that act intelligent are 
> intelligent.  You just complain that they can't be because...?
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That isn't a reason, it's naive realism. Wood alcohol acts like vodka too, 
but they aren't the same thing, and it turns out to be an important 
distinction if you are getting drunk.


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>> - just a collection of probes and logic circuits. Without humans to 
>> interpret the data coming out of it, it would be obvious that it is as 
>> unconscious as a stone.
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>> No it wouldn't. It has nothing to do with 'the data coming out'.  It 
>> knows about Mars because it can navigate on Mars and accomplish things on 
>> Mars (which is more than you can do) and anybody watching it would conclude 
>> that.
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> Then a cadaver knows about rigor mortis.
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> We can only know that if the cadaver can act on the knowledge - maybe 
> you've seen too many zombie movies.
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It does act on its knowledge - by lying very still.

Craig
 

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> Brent
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