On 07 Feb 2013, at 10:57, Kim Jones wrote:
Graham Hancock's experiences with Ayahuasca
Of course some will immediately denounce this post as irrelevant to
the search for a TOE. But, recall that CONSCIOUSNESS is the ultimate
final frontier in science and that voyagers in consciousness-
altering substances have a perspective to contribute here. This blog
I find to be one of the more convincingly serious and thought-
provoking essays on the use of DMT that I have yet encountered. In
many ways, the experience of Ayahuasca seems to dovetail with the
experience of Salvia Divinorum, as I'm sure Bruno will agree. I have
tried neither, but would leap at the opportunity were it to present
itself to me.
Yes, Plant teacher might be not completely out of topic, if we want
study consciousness. Dale Pendell, the chemist and expert in
psychedelic wrote, provocatively, I think, that humans and animals
have no consciousness, and that only plants have it, and that animal
are conscious by eating plant.
About DMT and salvia comparison, this is the object of a lasting
debate among those who appreciate them for spiritual purpose. My own
experience, perhaps not successful for having not well done the
extraction, is that DMT is just like some strong mushrooms.
Interesting but not so "incredible" compared to salvia, about the
nature of consciousness and reality.
Salvia, like Ketamine, (but quite less dangerous, and anti-addictive)
has a dissociative effect which might illustrate the "Galois
connection" between 1p-mind (consciousness) and its 3p local handlings
(the 3p-brains). By making a peculiar dissociation at some place in
the brain, one are left with the feeling that we are *less* than we
are used to think, and that we are consequently in front of *more*
possibilities. That "Galois connection" occurs in many place in math:
less equations = more solutions, or less axioms = more interpretations/
models. Somehow less brain = more experience, or more intense and
richer feeling of experience. This would make the brain being more a
filter of consciousness than a producer of consciousness.
Technically, I still have no real clue if this really follows from
comp, but the relation between G and Z suggests that there might be
some truth there. There is something similar already between the box
[] and the diamond <> in all modal logics, but to apply it to the
brain, we need this between G and Z, and this is partially confirmed
(for example <>t is true and non provable in G, and it is []t which
becomes true but not provable in Z (with the intuitive meanings that
self-consistency is not provable by the correct machines, and that
truth is not an observable for the self-observing machine. There might
be a partial Galois connection here.
Now, if it is obvious that altered conscious states can be a gold mine
for the researcher in consciousness, there is the obvious problem that
they concern 1p experiences, which are not communicable. Statistics
can be done on many reports, but the texts are usually hard to
interpret, and the texts can get influences by each others, etc. So
extreme cautiousness is asked before jumping on conclusion. Especially
with salvia which lead to experience that you can hardly describe to
yourself, and from which you get amnesic in some systematic way.
But words, here too, are not so important, at least for its most
peculiar and easy aspects.
When the Mexican Mazatec get christianized, they probably did not
understand what the Spanish were talking about when they mentioned the
Mother of God, or the Virgin Mary, until some exclaimed "Ah but that
must be the lady we met when we use salvia", and everything was clear,
then .... :)
Bruno
Fascinating, Captain, fascinating.
Kim Jones.
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