Hi John,
On 19 Feb 2013, at 23:28, John Mikes wrote:
Craig, it seems we engaged in a fruitful discussion- thank you.
I want to reflect to a few concepts only from it to clarify MY stance.
First my use of a 'model'. There are different models, from the sexy
young females over the math-etc. descriptions of theoretical
concepts (some not so sexy). - What I (after Robert Rosen?) use by
this word is an extract of something, we may not know in toto. Close
to an 'Occamized' version, but "cut" mostly by ignorance of the
'rest of it', not for added clarity. Applied to whatever we know
TODAY about the world. Or: we THINK WE KNOW.
A scientist know nothing. Just nothing, not even his own consciousness.
In science we have only beliefs, and the best we can hope, is to
refute them, by making them clear enough.
I insist on this because there is a widespread misconsception in
popular science, but also among many materialist scientists (= many
scientists), that we can know something "scientifically", but that is
provably wrong with comp, and plausiibly wrong with common sense.
A scientist who make public his knowledge is a pseudo-scientist, or a
pseudo-religious person, or is simply mad.
There is always an interrogation mark after any theory. Theories are
beliefs, never public knowledge. Even 1+1=2.
But we can (temporally) agree on some theories. We have to do that to
refute them, and learn.
Bruno
*
You mention 'statistical' in connection with adaptation. I deny the
validity of statistics (and so: of probability) because it depends
on the borderlines to observe in "counting" the items. 1000 years
ago (or maybe yesterday) such boderlines were different,
consequently different statistics came up with different chances of
occurrence in them (not even mentioning the indifference of WHEN all
those chances may materialize).
*
"...within a looped continuum of perceived causality..."
Perceived causality is restricted to the 'model' content, while it
may be open to be entailed by instigators beyond our present
knowledge.
Furthermore (in the flimsy concept we have about 'time' I cannot see
a 'loop' - only a propagating curve as everything changes by the
time we think to 'close' the loop (like the path of a planet as the
Sun moves).
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"...I couldn't agree with you more. That's a big part of what my TOE
is all about http://multisenserealism.com/8-matter-energy/...";
Your TOE? - MY FOOT. - Agnostically we are so far from even speaking
about 'everything' that the consecutively observable levels of
gathering some knowledge (adjusted to our ever evolving mental
capabilities into some personal 'mini-solipsism' - different always
for everyone) is a great pretension of the human conventional
sciences.
(Don't take it personally, please). We LIVE and THINK within (my)
model. Whatever is beyond is unknowable. But it affects the model
content.
The URL was an enjoyable reading - with Stephen's addition to it.
Best regards
John Mikes
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Craig Weinberg
<[email protected]> wrote:
I was so impressed with this page
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/misconceptions_faq.php#a1
that I thought it was worth listing a few here:
MISCONCEPTION: Natural selection involves organisms trying to adapt.
MISCONCEPTION: Natural selection acts for the good of the species.
MISCONCEPTION: The fittest organisms in a population are those that
are strongest, healthiest, fastest, and/or largest.
MISCONCEPTION: Natural selection is about survival of the very
fittest individuals in a population.
MISCONCEPTION: All traits of organisms are adaptations.
MISCONCEPTION: Evolutionary theory implies that life evolved (and
continues to evolve) randomly, or by chance.
MISCONCEPTION: Evolution results in progress; organisms are always
getting better through evolution.
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