On 2/20/2013 8:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Hi John,
On 19 Feb 2013, at 23:28, John Mikes wrote:
Craig, it seems we engaged in a fruitful discussion- thank you.
I want to reflect to *a few* concepts only from it to clarify MY stance.
First my use of */_a 'model'._/* There are different models, from the sexy young
females over the math-etc. descriptions of theoretical concepts (some not so sexy). -
What I (after Robert Rosen?) use by this word is an extract of something, we may not
know in toto. Close to an 'Occamized' version, but "cut" mostly by ignorance of the
'rest of it', not for added clarity. Applied to whatever we know TODAY about the world.
Or: we THINK WE KNOW.
A scientist know nothing. Just nothing, not even his own consciousness.
In science we have only beliefs,
But then, according to you, if they happen to be true they are knowledge. I'd say it's
the other way around, scientists have no beliefs, only hypotheses. If you ask a
physicist, for example, if he believes GR he will probably give a complicated answer about
how it is our best theory of macroscopic gravitation and it has proven correct in many
experiments and it is our best model - BUT it is almost certainly not right because its
inconsistent with QM.
and the best we can hope, is to refute them, by making them clear enough.
I insist on this because there is a widespread misconsception in popular science, but
also among many materialist scientists (= many scientists), that we can know something
"scientifically", but that is provably wrong with comp, and plausiibly wrong with common
sense.
A scientist who make public his knowledge is a pseudo-scientist, or a pseudo-religious
person, or is simply mad.
Is that true of logicians too. :-)
Brent
There is always an interrogation mark after any theory. Theories are beliefs, never
public knowledge. Even 1+1=2.
But we can (temporally) agree on some theories. We have to do that to refute them, and
learn.
Bruno
*
You mention 'statistical' in connection with adaptation. I deny the validity of
statistics (and so: of probability) because it depends on the borderlines to observe in
"counting" the items. 1000 years ago (or maybe yesterday) such boderlines were
different, consequently different statistics came up with different chances of
occurrence in them (not even mentioning the indifference of WHEN all those chances may
materialize).
*
*/"...within a looped continuum of perceived causality..." /*
Perceived causality is restricted to the 'model' content, while it may be open to be
entailed by instigators beyond our present knowledge.
Furthermore (in the flimsy concept we have about 'time' I cannot see a 'loop' - only a
propagating curve as everything changes by the time we think to 'close' the loop (like
the path of a planet as the Sun moves).
*
*/"...I couldn't agree with you more. That's a big part of what my TOE is all about
http://multisenserealism.com/8-matter-energy/..."/*
Your TOE? - MY FOOT. - Agnostically we are so far from even speaking
about*'everything'* that the consecutively observable levels of gathering some
knowledge (adjusted to our ever evolving mental capabilities into some personal
'mini-solipsism' - different always for everyone) is a great pretension of the human
conventional sciences.
(Don't take it personally, please). We LIVE and THINK within (my) model. Whatever is
beyond is unknowable. But it affects the model content.
The URL was an enjoyable reading - with Stephen's addition to it.
Best regards
John Mikes
*/
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On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Craig Weinberg <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I was so impressed with this page
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/misconceptions_faq.php#a1
that I thought it was worth listing a few here:
*MISCONCEPTION: Natural selection involves organisms trying to adapt.*
*MISCONCEPTION: Natural selection acts for the good of the species.*
*MISCONCEPTION: The fittest organisms in a population are those that are
strongest,
healthiest, fastest, and/or largest.*
*MISCONCEPTION: Natural selection is about survival of the very fittest
individuals
in a population.*
*MISCONCEPTION: All traits of organisms are adaptations.*
*MISCONCEPTION: Evolutionary theory implies that life evolved (and
continues to
evolve) randomly, or by chance.
**MISCONCEPTION: Evolution results in progress; organisms are always
getting better
through evolution.*
**
*
*
*
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