On Monday, March 11, 2013 1:37:28 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 11 Mar 2013, at 14:31, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Monday, March 11, 2013 8:51:08 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 10 Mar 2013, at 16:45, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:35:31 AM UTC-4, spudb...@aol.com wrote: >>> >>> Moreover, some people appear to hang tough with life, and do not commit >>> suicide, despite the intolerable conditions of their life. Which is >>> something of a puzzle, I suppose. Some people do and some people don't. So >>> maybe its a biological condition that makes us hang in there? >>> >> >> Maybe biology doesn't care and it's up to us personally and directly? >> >> >> Is that not equivalent with "there is no explanation"? >> > > Why would it be? > > > Because we would like to see what comes from biology, and what comes > personally and directly, and how those happening are related. If not you > refer to the fact as its own explanation, which is equivalent with stopping > thinking. >
I don't suggest that we stop looking at biology or what comes personally and directly. I suggest that it is a two way street causally is all. > > > >> It makes your "theory" looking like a "don't ask theory". >> > > No, it's a "in some cases you have to ask yourself" theory. > > > Of course, but that's exactly what is not a theory, nor a machine, from > the machine's 1-point of view. If you refer to that a public theory, then > you get arbitrariness, which is indeed what you illustrate with your dogma > that "machine's will never been able to think". > Why do you get arbitrariness rather than intention? > > And that's already what the ideal machine does answer when you ask her > what she thinks about all this. You can see UDA and AUDA as the general > machine's "ask yourself" theory. > > To bad you want not listen to them. > > No doubt they will look stupid to you, if you never listen to them. > I think that it's very easy to mistake the lowest common denominator for essential principles. It is important to listen to machines, but it is also important to be aware of the pathetic fallacy. As with fortune telling/divination, we should be aware of our own complicity in the result. Craig > > Bruno > > > > > > > > > > Craig > > >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> >>> To: everything-list <everyth...@googlegroups.com> >>> Sent: Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:21 am >>> Subject: Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, March 10, 2013 12:13:55 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>>> >>>> On 3/9/2013 6:23 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> An automatic pilot only controls the plane to the extent that it >>>> extends human intentions to control the plane. The automatic pilot can >>>> just >>>> as easily be set to crash the plane into a mountain as soon as possible >>>> and >>>> it won't know the difference or care. >>>> >>>> >>>> So that proves that people who commit suicide aren't conscious...? >>>> >>> >>> No, it says nothing about the consciousness of people who intentionally >>> commit suicide. I don't see the connection. People commit suicide because >>> the experience of living their lives is qualitatively intolerable, not >>> because they have a programming error and can't tell the the difference >>> between killing themselves and not killing themselves. An automatic pilot >>> is incapable of committing suicide. >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >>>> Brent >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en >>> . >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
