I agree, and as part of the natural world, I am evidence of intention and free will as physical facts of the natural world. > It's not my place to say the the Great > Red Spot of Jupiter is superfluous, that the electron is superfluous, > or that intelligent apes are superfluous. > My point was not to claim that consciousness is actually superfluous in the real world but to point out the absurdity of your worldview, the logic of which insists that consciousness must be superfluous since it adds nothing to the functions which you claim the universe can only consist of. Of course my view is always that consciousness is the indispensable ground of existence itself, so I am not suggesting by any means that consciousness could ever be actually superfluous in this universe. Craig > > -- > Stathis Papaioannou > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.