Absolutely, but neither should we expect that complexity alone can make an assembly of inorganic parts into a subjective experience which compares to that of an animal. > > >> What I question is why that improvement would entail awareness. >> > > A human has to be aware to do the things it does, because zombies are not > possible. > That's begging the question. Anything that is not exactly what it we might assume it is would be a 'zombie' to some extent. A human does not have to be aware to do the things that it does, which is proved by blindsight, sleepwalking, brainwashing, etc. A human may, in reality, have to be aware to perform all of the functions that we do, but if comp were true, that would not be the case. > Your examples of blind sight are not a disproof of the separability of > function and awareness, > I understand why you think that, but ultimately it is proof of exactly that. > only examples of broken links in communication (quite similar to split > brain patients). > A broken link in communication which prevents you from being aware of the experience which is informing you is the same thing as function being separate from awareness. The end result is that it is not necessary to experience any conscious qualia to receive optical information. There is no difference functionally between a "broken link in communication" and "separability of function and awareness". The awareness is broken in the dead link, but the function is retained, thus they are in fact separate. > >> There are a lot of neurons in our gut as well, and assimilation of >> nutrients is undoubtedly complex and important to survival, yet we are not >> compelled to insist that there must be some conscious experience to manage >> that intelligence. Learning is complex, but awareness itself is simple. >> > > I think the nerves in the gut can manifest as awareness, such as cravings > for certain foods when the body realizes it is deficient in some particular > nutrient. Afterall, what is the point of all those nerves if they have no > impact on behavior? > Oh I agree, because my view is panexperiential. The gut doesn't have the kind of awareness that a human being has as a whole, because the other organs of the body are not as significant as the brain is to the organism. If we are going by the comp assumption though, then there is an implication that nothing has any awareness unless it is running a very sophisticated program. Craig > > Jason > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.