On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html
"Working together, researchers at the Coma Science Group (Directed
by Steven Laureys) and the University of Liège's Cognitive
Psychology Research (Professor Serge Brédart and Hedwige Dehon),
have looked into the memories of NDE with the hypothesis that if the
memories of NDE were pure products of the imagination, their
phenomenological characteristics (e.g., sensorial, self referential,
emotional, etc. details) should be closer to those of imagined
memories. Conversely, if the NDE are experienced in a way similar to
that of reality, their characteristics would be closer to the
memories of real events.
The researchers compared the responses provided by three groups of
patients, each of which had survived (in a different manner) a coma,
and a group of healthy volunteers. They studied the memories of NDE
and the memories of real events and imagined events with the help of
a questionnaire which evaluated the phenomenological characteristics
of the memories. The results were surprising. From the perspective
being studied, not only were the NDEs not similar to the memories of
imagined events, but the phenomenological characteristics inherent
to the memories of real events (e.g. memories of sensorial details)
are even more numerous in the memories of NDE than in the memories
of real events."
These results fully support a sense based model of physics. It makes
a falsifiable claim that if NDEs are dreams, then they should be
like all other dreams. While this could still mean that being close
to death gives you massively potent dream for some reason, it still
points to a universe where realism, matter, and public events are
derived from a universal foundation which is sensory rather than
logical.
With comp, we already know that the physical is a construct of the
mind (of the universal numbers), so your point here is precisely not
valid. Indeed you seem to need some primary matter to distinguish the
"sensory" based on carbon from the one which we could be based on
silicon, or numbers.
Reality is the dream of eternity made temporarily public, not a
collection of objects making temporary illusions.
The self-referentially correct universal machine agrees with this.
100%. It is not obvious at all, but that's what the UDA explains.
On this you are more correct than many materialist, but you fit
perfectly well with comp. That is why I find a bit sad that you insist
that comp is false. Keep in mind that, unlike what many are thinking,
comp is incompatible with even very weak form of materialism. So much
that physics should be entirely derivable from the global FPI on
arithmetic. The math confirms this up to now, if we agree with some
rather standard definition in the theory of knowledge.
It would be interesting to see if some drug does not also produce more
of the phenomenological characteristics inherent to the memories of
real events. Now, I have not read those papers, and as you notice, it
might only be more "potent dream".
In fact, from the usual work on dreams, by Jouvet, LaBerge, Dement and
Hobson, for example, what is striking, is the remarkable similarity of
the REM brain states and the awake brain states, for diverse tasks
(computing, singing, walking, moving arms, seeing color, etc.).
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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