On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 5:16:44 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 22 Apr 2013, at 20:41, [email protected] <javascript:> wrote: > > > Any "aesthetic phenomena" or for that matter anything else we > > experience is described by the known laws of physics which tells you > > what matters is the way information is processed. > > > > So, I'm not conviced there really exists a well defined problem here > > with consciousness. We're told by philosphers that there is a > > problem and for a long time I believed there was a problem but I've > > recently come to the conclusion that simply identifying > > computational states with experiences solves the problem. > > > This is a confusion between Bp & Bp & p. You are correct, from God's > eye view, but no machine can see that, and this will explain the mind- > body difficulty, but with a price: physics becomes a branch of > machine's bio-psycho-theology. But that's a nice price, as it makes > comp testable and thus scientific in the usual sense. > > You cannot identify a computational state (a 3p relative notion), and > an experience (an 1p absolute notion). But, yes, from the truth point > of view, they will be equivalent (with some nuance, as a unique > computational state does not makes sense out of a computation, and > thus out of universal machine). Also, consciousness will be related to > infinities of computations. >
Consciousness is that which not only limits infinities, it replaces them. Universe rather than multiverse and gestalt wholes rather than ceaseless approximation. Vision allows us to see circularity, but a computer cannot conceive of circularity, it can only compare discrete values in a way which imitates circularity or continuity. The imitation is figurative however, not literal. The computer is not actually imitating continuity, any more than a flip book cartoon is imitating the natural flow of time awareness. It's interesting, Bruno, that you recognize the value of questions over answers, theories over physics, but with Bp & Bp & p, you are implicitly framing the 3p view as the Bp & p. I would think that you should agree with my view that the 3p view is a Bp within the total of all 1p. Belief is a type of awareness, as is physical interaction, but awareness itself can neither be a logical nor a physical agenda. No belief or physical substance can 'exist' without being held together by aesthetic sense of some kind. Craig > > Bruno > > > > > > > > Saibal > > > > Citeren Craig Weinberg <[email protected] <javascript:>>: > > > >> > >> > >> On Friday, April 19, 2013 6:59:28 PM UTC-4, [email protected] wrote: > >>> > >>> It is whatever an algorithm is computing. All the information is > >>> in the > >>> computational state. If you have pain in your knee then exactly what > >>> you are experiencing must be unambiguously present in the > >>> computational > >>> state of your brain. > >>> > >> > >> Why would the computational state of your brain be associated with > >> any kind > >> of aesthetic phenomena though? That's Explanatory Gap. The Hard > >> Problem is > >> really about "why is there any such thing as aesthetic phenomena?" > >> > >> Craig > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Saibal > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> Groups "Everything List" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > >> send an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > >> To post to this group, send email to everything- > >> [email protected] <javascript:>. > >> Visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en > >> . > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > > send an email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > > To post to this group, send email to > > [email protected]<javascript:>. > > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en > > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
