On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >> So you are suggesting that a thing like broken glass is made of numbers >> > > > ???? I was just saying that things are not made up of things. A broken > glass is NOT made of number. That has no meaning at all. What happens is > that addition and multiplication of natural numbers emulate dreams, which > might be dream of a broken glass. >
OK. How is that any different from saying broken glass is made of numbers? >> don't tell me there is no such thing as a thing, that's just more >> gibberish. >> > > > It is a matter of tedious, and not so simple, exercise to see that the > computations exist in some definite sense when we postulate arithmetic. > (This is done in good textbook, and very well done in Epstein & Carnielli, > but also in Boolos & Jeffrey). Physical things then appears as stable > percept > And concerning broken glass I said in my September 11 post "It must have stable properties of some sort or I wouldn't be able to identify it as a thing". > > by persons living those dreams. > OK. Therefore the physical universe and the physical things in it exist. >> Make up your mind! First you say everything is the process of "natural >> numbers" in "relative computations" and then you say "digital machines, >> which are defined in term of number relations" are an exception to this >> because what they do "is not a process". The sum of number relations is not >> a process?? None of this makes any sense to me. >> > > > Some number relation defines some machines, or some programs, which are > static entities. > *Other number relations, involving the preceding one, defines > computations, or processes, > Name a number relation that does not involve a computation or some other process! > A machine, in that setting is basically one number, relative to some > universal number. > Relative? A relation needs at least 2 things, and some sort of computation with them. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to firstname.lastname@example.org. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.